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Kremlin Panic Grows as 28 January Approaches
| In barring Mr.Navalny from running, the Central Election Commission cited his suspended prison sentence in a fraud case. The activist, backed by the European Court of Human Rights and the Council of Europe, has denounced the prosecution as politically motivated.
Mr.Navalny’s exclusion from the March election “casts a serious doubt on political pluralism in Russia and the prospect of democratic elections next year” the European Union’s foreign service said in a statement on Tuesday.
| It also risks pushing politics in exactly the direction the Kremlin wants to avoid — onto the street. Mr. Navalny, who has set up offices in 84 cities across Russia, called on Wednesday for nationwide protests on Jan. 28 to rally support for a boycott of the March election, which he has ridiculed as a farce.
“We won’t have an election because Vladimir Putin is horribly afraid — he sees a threat in competing with me,” Mr. Navalny, 41,
| said in a video that, anticipating the decision to bar him, he recorded before the ban was announced. “The process in which we are called to participate is not a real election. It will feature only Putin and the candidates which he has personally selected.”
That the Kremlin is afraid of Mr. Navalny is in no doubt. His name is taboo on state-controlled television, unless he is being found guilty of fraud, organizing illegal protests or other alleged crimes.
| Polling organizations linked to the state don’t include his name when they ask people what they think of leading political figures.
Mr. Putin’s old friend and handpicked prime minister, Dmitri A. Medvedev, recently dismissed Mr. Navalny, without mentioning his name, as a “rogue” trusted by nobody. But the state media apparatus has still gone to great lengths to airbrush him out of Russia’s otherwise somnolent political landscape, seemingly reluctant even to utter his name.
| But Mr. Putin, having watched last year’s presidential election in the United States, appears to worry that polls cannot be trusted and that a long-shot rival could, if not win, at least perform much better than expected.
Dmitri Peskov, Mr. Putin’s spokesman and a target of Mr. Navalny’s investigations into the curious wealth of senior officials and their family members, said on Tuesday that Mr. Navalny’s calls for an election boycott
| “will require scrupulous study to see whether or not they comply with the law.” The statement opened the way for an investigation by law enforcement agencies and possible criminal prosecution against Mr. Navalny and his aides.
Mr. Navalny’s supporters reported on Tuesday that the crackdown was expanding, with raids on their offices in at least two cities,
| Tula and Orenburg. “See, they’re very afraid,” said one, Victor Shaveddinov, in a Facebook post detailing actions by the authorities since the weekend.
“Putin is afraid of letting Navalny into public politics because Navalny has a great potential to mobilize: people will go out for him” onto the streets, said Aleksandr Morozov,
| a Moscow political analyst.
Mr. Navalny has repeatedly proved his ability to mobilize people, particularly young, well-educated Russians, by organizing a series of nationwide protests in defiance of official bans. Mr. Navalny is unlike most other nominally opposition Russian politicians, who rely on Kremlin support, never criticize Mr. Putin and make little effort to connect with voters. He has crisscrossed the country,
| rallying crowds with a message that Mr. Putin and his lieutenants are irredeemably corrupt and neglectful of ordinary people’s interests.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/barred-from-running-and-boycotting-navalny%E2%80%99s-quandary-in-russia/ar-BBHr4fg
| Good luck, Mr. Navalny!
| Best of luck, Mr. Navalny! Also, thanks to the gurl that actually posted some news in /new/!
| Ah, having elections but no choice. Welcome to bourgeois democracy, where you can only pick which face of a political zombieland should represent the capitalist system.
| Ussr had no real election either.
| >>130504
That's right. But it had intentionally better ideals. Now Russia is just another imperial power again, which for sure will have no chance against the US or China. If Putin (who really is a smart asshole) is no more, russia will be a unimportant regional power again, divided by economicical and cultural conflicts.
| >>131061
Currently not more or less than other imperial powers.
Putin is a russian Bismarck. When he dies other douchebagds will come and ruin everything. Hopefully russian people will do a socialist revolution again, and not the nazi shit like Germans did. Unfortunately there are some tendencies to worry about.
| For people who think that Putin is Russian Bismark. You are not right. His initial plan was to steal. Remember that life level increased when Bismark rules prussia (now it is Germany). But with putin.... We get even more poor than in Ussr. Im to liked bout ussr that it is has some idea. But ppl if you must have national idea to live... Maybe you better be dead? I mean you could live for science, other people, pleasure, why choosing the national idea instead?
| Actually the worst thing about putin-he think that all Russians are stupid. But some ppl actually clever. And they rather venture out to another country than listen to stupid propaganda.
| Holy, it's real news, isnt it? Thanks, g/u/rl
| >>133347
Well, if this is not historical revisionism. Fact is that wealth in Russia also increases. There never were more millionaires in the RF than today, tendencial increasing.
The same Problem as in Prussia is the economic massive inequality and a increasing poverty mass. And as Bismarck in Prussia (and united germany), fighting a growing opposition by fool masses with nationalism and some socialpolitical sugar like basic insurances for workers, also Putin does similar.
| Our Russia will be the neo-nazi country.
It's bad, u know, g/u/rls?
| >>133516 well fucking yes we have a lot of oligarchs, but we(not rich) live like ass. We have a system that supports only rich. Overall wealth of the country don't necessarily correlate with ppl wealth.
| Most of all problems are connected with our 'socially oriented' economy - it doesn't work
| We have bad service in gouv hospitals and bad health care.
| And all of our millionaires are oil or gas, and actually it does not take a lot clever mind. Look at, dunno bill Gates, or Steve jobs, or Elon musk. They all earn money by their minds
| >>133635
Bill Gates and Steve Jobs only created businessmodells that allowed them to sell other peoples ideas (including public financed) as theirs and build a monopoly on it. Also elon mask is just a clown that burns investors money for rich peoples toys. They are good entertainers but have nothing more in mind than russian gas or oil millionaires: money, power and fame. Anything else is just for show.
| >>133625
You think that was (is) diffrent in Prussia/Germany? Its almost all over the world like that. Even in the „super social„ scandinavian states. Some call it „Capitalism“
| >>133626
The problem is, that there is no „socially oriented economy“ anymore anywhere since the „fail“ and fall of the USSR. There is no concurence if systems anymore. Capitalism „won“ and drives mankind to the edge again, like it always did.
| >>133775 seems like you didn't understand anything bout Musk. Let's say that he moves the future. Has more successful launches than roskosmos. Built spaceport equal to Vistochiy but done this ten times cheaper than Roskosmos. And he low costing space launching in total. Still our oligarchs didn't do a thing bout developing innovations. Still our taxes are high as we fucking live in social oriented country.
| >>134877
What? Which one is the only entity that was the first to transport humans into space and the only one which still does still? Which one produces the most reliable space station modules? Which one produces ALL the thrusters of the ISS and why is that?
Wake up will you?
| >>134878 well you still don't get it, don't you? Think if work hour in Russia is cheaper, so why don't buy it?
| It is capitalism. And not much innovations in this RD engines in last 20 years.
| And open your eyes will you?humans in space now is useless mass. More importantly is space telescopes, GPS satellites and satellites in general.
| It is space - place for astronomical study first of all. So humans in space And landing on moon by humans are all useless.
| In astronomical point.
| Because I am.
| >>134877
I understand Musk totally. His „innovations“ are based on marketing, upperclass networking, other peoples work and lowering security and working standards. He is no „smart innovator“ just another silk-suited marketing clown on a house of cards which is always about to burst.
| >>134909
Lowering the price of labour is not necessaryly based on technologic innovation. Its also about suppression, globalization and „smart“ interpretation of laws.
| >>134920
No I am not. I am not from usa either. I see all this as a third observer. In all accounts seems to me Russia has better tech. And in space better does not mean more complex but only more reliable and easy serviceable and longer functioning with fewer maintenance and intervention. I have seen it all the time with airplane designs, jet engines, boosters, thrusters. Always 'keep complexity low' has been the key. It is a matter of efficiency, not who burns most cash.
| Not even Russian here, but who would be the best alternative to replace Putin? Navalny?
| >>135711 Whoever actually can replace Putin .He is thief .he is uncapable of ruling the country .Death rate increasing .Level of education is decreasing .And NAvalniy didnt affiliate with Nationalists .At least now .But actually did you see Moscow ,or Saint Petersburg-a lot of illigal migrants out there.I mean A LOT .so i think we better have nationalist then ppl who let immigrants slip.
| >Navalny
Lol, he is just an overhyped junk.
Politician, who is making youtube reviews on shawarma and streaming PUBG. His main electorate is people under 18. He would have zero chances even if elections in Russia weren't rigged, really.
Also his political program is shit. Some of his proposals (like raise the minimal wage by 2.5 times) will just destroy our already bad economy and most likely are a lie to make people vote him. Spoiler: they won't.
| >>136480 indeed he has bad populist program. But putin has none. 18 years of his realm. None program at all. He didn't complete his programme. He just don't bother. He said that he gonna raise pension. Pensions isn't raised. And this shit bout pubg and shaverma. Where did you get it? Are you Двач тролль.?of course he did stream pubg once. But mmmmm.is it cause to call all ppl support him junk. Do you really think that on those meetings average participant was underage?
| Your opinion seem too proofless. You just stated things. And some of them are actually lie. Kremlin lie bout underrated supporters. Kremlin lies bout 'he only stream PUBG and nothing more'. Aaahhhhhh I see you fucking Russian like me.
| >>136480 I think no fucking way we could even normally talk with this scum. He didn't even realise that there are some problems. And that problems happened bc of Putin. I thought when you learn language you get better and cleverer. But you prove me wrong. Go grab some Boyarishnick and drink it full for putins sake. And preferably die. Without you animal Russia could live better I suppose.
| >>136728
Minimal pensions are being raised every year, actually, and minimal wages as well. Minimal pension in Russia is already higher than minimal wage though.
About stream and shawarma, i watched it myself.
Well, of cource not all of him participants are underaged, but there are many of them. I fucking cringed when saw a 12-years-old boy on Navalny's meeting in my city.
Yeah, i am Russian. Problems?
| >>136732
Ha-ha, classic.
>if you don't support PUTIN/MY FAVORITE OPPOSITIONARY POLITICIAN and MY OPINION, you are a FUCKING LIBERAL RUSSOPHOBE/STUPID PRO-PUTIN SCUM
Honestly, i hate my fellow ruskies a bit for such kind of thoughts. Really, both putinists and "liberals" can't stand opinions different from theirs. That's why we can't have nice things in our country and that's why we have no democracy, no normal capitalist economy and no normal society.
| >>136983 - you saw 1 underaged boy.
Your presumption :most of audience are underaged. But actually there are only less than 3% underaged in first navalniy meeting. So to the next point. There were one stream with PUBG, ONE, all others streams are about news and political stuff. And don't you consider fact that kremlin use far more children's than navalniy. Songs 'Uncle Vova we with you "in kindergartens.
| >>136985 and to be honest I am rusophobe. And of course we have no tolerance to other opinion if it is even partly supported putin. He is to blame for low wage in regions, Rogozin and his wiener and for a lot of stuff like that. And because I am not tolerating putin I'm gonna leave this pit. You can stay as much time as you want. But it is unperspective. Next putin age gonna be hard af. I don't actually think that navalniy is God or good. I love Nemtcov more. But putin is the worst
| >>136988
Of cource it wasn't one, i just remembered that boy more than others. I personally know many underaged Navalny supporters.
About streams, there was one, but also there were shawarma review, versus battle review, etc.
And really, looks like you are a just Navalny's supporters who tries to promote his ideas here. Kek.
I don't support Kremlin and Putin. By the way, i don't like Navalny also because he and his remind me Putin with his supporters. They are quite similar.
| >>136992
>russophobe
>supports russian "liberal" opposition
AHAHAHAHA, looks like i just met most generic russian opposionary suporter in the fucking world.
Of cource Putin is not a good pres, but i wouldn't vote for candidates supported by russophobes, really.
| >>137001 Я бы предпочёл Навального не из-за того что я русофоб ,а потому что Путин уж точно не сделает хуже .Опять же ,всё просто Включаем логику :Русофобом можно быть и поддерживать кого то .На самом деле даже путина -политика у него достаточно русофобская -Челябинск загазован по самые телебашни ,Дальний восток продан киайцам ,В москве и питере работают иммигранты ,огромная часть нелегальная.Но при этом всё таки он не считается русофобским кандидатом.
| К тому же голосовать надо не против этих русских ,а за кандидата ,который тебе лично принесёт больше пользы.Навальный принесёт меньше вреда.Но я не отрицаю что минусов в нём вагон и маленькая тележка.Но Путин привёл к тому что блин нет у нас альтернативы.Выборы описывается народной пословицей .Поймите Путин виноват в том ,что у нас Выбор не между Немцовым и Навальным ,а между Навальным и Путином.
| С некоторой вашей критикой конкретно навального я готов согласится -Популистская программа ,Неудачные 2 и 3 митинги,но вот чёрт побери вы форсите мыслю о том что у Навального одни малолетки ,но я считаю что вы слегка преувеличиваете -на улицах было лишь 3 процента малолетних.Также очень удобно припомнить навальному одно упоминание реп баттла,одного стрима и вот на этом поставить etc. В заключении хотел бы сказать что всё таки Путин поддерживает противоречивость законов.
| И поэтому после него не может быть никого кроме как очередного жулика и вора ,но при этом не обнаглевшего в конец.
| Navalny is a alternative to Putin like Hitler would have been to Stalin. Dumb shit as alternative to shit is still shit. A choice between plague and cholera. What Russia needs is a real alternative: progressive, revolutionary, ambitious with positive future visions and as long-termed strategy.
| >>138029
The only way to make me say that is over my cold, dead body ;)
Also, one should not speak lies.
| I'm totally agree. But where? There is none.
| I said bout normal alternatives.
| Vote for Grudinin
Lmao
| The only thing the russian nationalists, conservatives and capitalist oligarchs are afraid of is the revolutionary heritage of the soviet union. They put a lot of effort to negate this aspect and rewrite soviet history by idealizing its autocratic, nationalistic and militaristic characteristics (which had their peak in the stalin era) while demonizing everything revolutionary.
I would totally vote for Grudini, btw. But I would not count too much on elections at all.
| I had to look up Grudinin. I now see he could be the best alternative so far. I agree with >>139059
Thank you >>138928 for pointing out options ^^. I wish you merry laughs of your ass out <3
| >>139059
Wew, dude. Grudinin's program is literally the best way to kill russian economy, it's even worse than Navalny's program. Really, dude, still liking USSR in current year? You are unbelievable. USSR is one of the main reasons why we still live in shit. Modern Russia is a direct successor of USSR with most of its problems, flaws, stupid mentality and inefficient bureacracy
| >>140466
There is no such a thing like "russian economy", there is a global world economy and it's called capitalism, dude. And Conservative as liberal politicians all over the world spread the same stupid lies and fooling the masses. Russia was a global economic and political super power in the soviet era, sometimes even surpassing the USA. US economists were afraid of loosing to the SU a long time and made really useful reforms in education politics to keep up. ("sputnik shock")
| But it is also so true. There's no point in a democracy if the choices you're told you need to choose from are on the whole garbage.
But whenever you show people the alternatives, they make up all kinds of excuses. For example, when most people ask me who I voted for from outside the US, and I respond "Gary Johnson," they immediately respond "Who?"
| Not to derail the conversation, I'm just pointing out a similarity in issues facing modern day democracy.
| >>140466
Most of the US IT-Elites are children of the sputnik shock politics in the US. Now, as they are successful and there is no competition of systems anymore, they close the doors again that were open for common people like them, when they rised. So Putins and Nawalnys programmes only rely on nationalist and religious or racist opium ideology and economical on military Resources and knowledge from the soviet union as ground Resources. Crisis is predictable.
| >>140500
The two-party system in the US is one of the most shitty things in their implementation of democracy. There are a lot of good things that compensate somehow, but it still sucks ass in the end.
| >>140506
>>140506
Yes, it is. And the worst part is there's no law stating that there *needs* to be one, either, it's just that they've been around for so long that unless more people start voting something that isn't either of them, they'll always have the same old garbage. But the reason they don't is because of this cancerous mentality that "if I vote for them it's a wasted vote." First off, no vote is a waste, since the whole fucking point of voting is to choose who you want
| for a position, second, if you're voting for someone knowing that they're shit and that you don't actually want it's not really a choice at all, and third, if everyone voted for the politician they didn't hate, then they would *win.*
| We don't even jail popular politicians in the US just to prevent them from being able to run for president like Putin did with Navalny; even when you consider that the media itself ignores or unfairly shits on third party candidates, it's ultimately the people who sabotage their own voting system by being retarded.
| >>140502
>Putins and Nawalnys programmes only rely on nationalist and religious or racist opium ideology
Just WHAT. You are so incompetent.
Did you even read Navalny's program? There is literally nothing about nationalism or religion. Putin says something about it, but he is not really a nationalist, i don't see any major nationalist actions from him.
| >>140502
Thing about "relying on economical and military resouces of SU" is a such big bullshit, i don't even want to seriously discuss that. GDP per capita of all former soviet republics surpassed USSR levels a long time ago. Russian military now is much more advanced than it was in soviet era. We are still dealing with consequences of USSR though (and consequences of unsuccessful reforms of 90's), but eh, really, Russia today is a big step from a shithole it was in soviet era.
| >>140539
Increasing GDP and improved military does not say anything about the life quality for common people. In Russia it means, like in all other capitalist countries, more millionaires and preparations to turn the world in a slaughterhouse again when the global market is going to stuck again (and it will).
| >>140534
A political program is worth nothing. It is almost irrelevant what stands there. I know some speeches and interviews of Nawalny that offers a racist and nationalist world view. Same is for ppl arround him. And if Putin is not really a nationalist for you, than I don't know from what weird mirror universe you come from.
| >>140930 Yet people are capable of purchasing more and have a better life compared to 100 years ago. If you want a better economical factor to determine the levels of quality of life you check indicators like education, health care, average wage. All of these Russia stands very low on compared to even countries like Poland. That should tell you something.
| >>141394
>Yet people are capable of purchasing more and have a better life compared to 100 years ago.
Congrats. It's thanks to industrial ration. People in the SU in 1960s were also more wealthy than in the 1860s.
>If you want a better economical factor to determine the levels of quality of life you check indicators like education, health care, average wage.
I do that, comparing fucking sanctioned socialist and still hdi-leading cuba vs. Other south and central American countries.
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| In one surreal turn after another, the Russian authorities have dismissed Mr. Navalny, a charismatic and canny street politician, as a nonentity — and then have done everything in their power to make sure that is the case.
The boycott warning came from Mr. Putin’s spokesman, and was issued the same day the president, who has been in power for almost 18 years, was formally nominated to seek a fourth term.