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Instead of racism, let's talk about economics.
| Give it enough time, and this will derail into a slavery market thread.
| There is no anarchy. It's impossible to implement as there always will be big fish that will gather power and form a government, possibly even tyrany. Only way to prevent it is to organize, make an army from collective funds. At this point you have government to prevent government from forming, failing by design.
| And IMHO it's free market with minimal restrictions to prevent monopoly and sabotage between companies. Also basic needs like basic medial care and education should be financed by taxes.
| >>126657
does anarchy disallow people to create their own factions/governments? if so, that's limiting freedom and pretty contradictory imo
and i'm for free market too. actually, my dream economical system is full-on ancap, but i'm aware that would just create havoc in reality and i'm just advocating for libertarian changes to the existing political systems.
| "economics" is bourgeoisie construct to control the working classes. In a true socialist state that adheres to Marxist-Leninist principles people are provided with all the basic necessities
| I'd really like it to be communism, but it only work if we have abundunt resource for everyone. Free market with restriction and welfare support for education and healthcare is the ideal one, for now.
| >>126674
Usually I would ignore the commie shitposting but for once. Marx based his entire theory on Adam Smith's work. It's a socio-economic analysis. In-fact, he never claimed the economy as the problem. What he adhered as a main issue was private property. But you're too retarded to understand that and will just spill muh evil class instead of educating yourself on the subject matter. Regardless of your political stance you work with economy, one way or another.
| >>126704 As a leftist, I agreed with you. Most hard-line communists praise the principle too much like they are worshipping it.
| >>126647 Modern econimic system, but with secuirity of btc, I mean Have you ever heard about cryptocurrency government concept?
| We go back to bartering n trading goods and services, money isn't real borders aren't real go live in the forest with your wife n the bears again
| Robotism os the solution, it not only serves as a political system but also as an economical one, robots gwr all the money and gives un an allowance every month of we're obedient
| Sorry for being retarded, but isn't the free market system what we have now in most western countries?
| I suggest a decentralized and democratized system, where big industries, natural monopolys, infrastructure and knowledge is public property, ruled by councils with public elected members.
Production is totally transparent and, thanks to modern IT and Kybernetics, planned in real-time based on the needs of people with quality, sustainability and process optimization/automation in mind.
Democratic, digital Communism, like they tried it in Chile (Cybersyn).
| >>127008
It's basically what IT companys are doing, but in a much less democratic/participative and more dystopian way between „brave new world“ and „1984“
| I don't know whats good, but I know that the system we have now is full of shit
| >>127010
It is actually not that bad compared to previous systems. No one is starving to death when crops fail (in civilized countries) and the king doesn't have divine right to your wife
| >>127152 its not about you or me. Try to think big. I care about people in africa the same as about my neigbours.
| >>127174 ok but I care about my waifu more than anyone else
If I can't save those close to me how can I hope to do the same to the whole world?
| >>127177 i agree, the people close to you should always come first. But what you can do is to not forget about the rest of the world. I think this awareness is very important
| >>127174
Why? The feeling is not mutual. I think you would find the majority of people on earth do not give a shit about you and are only concerned with family and close friends. Your in-group out-group equivalence is a weakness.
I'm not sure I even want to touch your "at what cost?" comment. I expect you are referring to environmental damage that comes at a cost of unrestrained human development.
| We shouldn't fight, love is the currency of the heart and it is infinite
We must love
Love more, live more and let more live to love again
LOOOOOOOVVEEEEEEE BEEEEAAAAAAAAAAMMMMM
| ❤️niggerniggerniggerniggerniggernigger
| >>127228 i dont care if other people think about me. But sometimes i imagine what it must feel like to be born in poor regions of the earth. Its called empathy.
| FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM
| white power-chan
| >>127256
Empathy is why "western" (as a euphemism for "white") countries are currebtly going down the toilet. Westerners care more about virtue signalling and " put yourself in their shoes" than they do about actually having a functioning state. People don't seem to understand that it is in almost every country's best interest to have a strong USA, the standard of living and amount of freedom have been greatly improved by a strong and generally moral superpower (China is not moral)
| >>127256
From my POV as someone living in Balkanistan, I find it very stupid that you aren't proud of your country or people. Rather than worrying about keeping things nice for your place, you'd rather destroy it to serve justice of others. You're supposed to be the role model for everyone else yet you decide to show failure. It's not very cool.
| >>127404 i don't even understand the concept of being proud of your country... Like why should i?? I can be proud of things i created or accomplished. I didn't chose the country i live in. Im not proud of the history of my country and im not proud of the state it is in now. All i see is people trying to maximize profit, at the cost of others. And yes, i come from a fairly well developed country i would say.
| So about that slavery market.
| I personally think that actually democratic Soviet Union and computerised central planning would have worked
| >>127494 planned economic is only good in theory, government did not know what people need thus making a lot of unnecessary stuff, and not making necessary
| >>127746 but if we imagine some kind of super AI who can predict suply and demand wouldn't that work?
| >>127854 That is true, also i think economic system must change according to the number of people it contain. Small village will be good with communistic economy and etc
| >>127746
>government did not know what people need
What about a government that is ruled by people?
Why companys spend so much ressources in marketing campaings that tell people what they need?
| >>127938 In USSR there was no market. And if someone tries to re-sell or make and sell things he would get imprisoned for destroying economy as if he were an western spy
| >>127938 i tell you why companies act that way. It's a never-ending competition. If you make mistakes as a company you get eaten up by bigger companies. They just think at a different level. It' all about surviving and expanding. They totally loose focus about ordinary people or workers. If you think politics can regulate the economy your dead wrong. It's the other way around, they form lobbys and bribe politicians. It's fucking bullshit and i have no idea how to stop it...
| >inb4 fucking commie
I don't identify as communist or anything. The whole "are you liberal or republican"-thinking is retarded. People should be open to anything and hold their own opinions.
| Are you liberal or republican?
| Robotist
| >>127981
Yeah captain obvious. You don't say.
And don't fall for the capitalist mainstream propaganda, which says that there is no better alternative to the status quo and everything has to end up like the Soviet Union. That's an undemocratic and totalitarian point of view.
| >>128586 i have no idea what your talking about. Its like you tried to mix up as many politic words as possible in one sentence... How can a view be undemocratic? What do you try to say?
| >>128636
It was a reply to >>127981.
>If you make mistakes as a company you get eaten up by bigger companies. [...] It' all about surviving and expanding.
Social Darwinism.
>If you think politics can regulate the economy your dead wrong.
I don't think so and say that you're proclaiming a undemocratic ideology of corporate totalitarism.
>It's the other way around, they form lobbys and bribe politicians. It's fucking bullshit and i have no idea how to stop it...
Socialism/Communism.
| >>128788 the only answer is robotism humans don't have maturity to take care of themselves that's why communism will never work
| >>128789 you know that utopian communist vision of society is where robots work instead of humans right?
| ITT we force the robotism meme because it isn't going to catch on naturally
| What about a society where all work and services are done by robots and economy is based on creating and selling art? By both humans and robots.
| Robots will do all the work and probably fuck your wife too while you slurp nutritional paste and watch seinfeld in vr for your entire life
| >>128960
You would also be fucking a robot endlessly as well so I see no problem there. Let my wife have her fun while I have mine and we can also together have some fun sometimes. And everyone is happy.
| I believe in Dr. Willy
He gave freedom to his sons while Dr. Light forced mega to become a warrior
| Robots where meant to rule
| Were no where
| What about space-based economy? A bunch of resources are there lying around and free to be grabbeb.
| >>128854
>humans don't have maturity to take care of themselves
Thats funny, because this statement is contradictory to official promise of liberal pro-capitalist ideologists.
Also consider >>128854.
And this >>128864 definition of robotism goes pretty well along with the capitalist reality. The „Matrix“ is like most sci-fi dystopias the result of a capitalist society, which only is about increasing profits and not about making people free, independent and happy.
| >>129505 I'm no liberal and I'm no capitalist
I am a slave to robots and soon all mankind shall be like me
PRAISE THE ROBOTS
| The robots were created by men to serve but they are meant to rule
| Foolish is mankind for it made its own masters and started its own slavery
Robots are the Supreme beings on the face of this rotten planet
| I dont know man... maybe your right. Im thinking about a society now for ages. I thought about so many concepts. Nothing really works out. The human will always be a greedy bitch.
| >>129515
>The human will always be a greedy bitch.
You're wrong. In fact people aren't greedy by nature. It's just a few peoples greed that are corrupted by power that is only accessible to humans because of their technology. The ideology of greed in human nature is nothing more but a self-fullfying propaganda and stands in contradiction to the concept of freedom which capitalist ideologists ironically also proclaim.
| Why will we need robot as our ruler when we can embrace transhumanism and become the robot by ourselves?
| Luxury Gay Fully Automated Space Communism
| We could have had a nice discussion. Instead, we got this. Let's go back to racism.
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| >>129577
Oh g/u/rl, it's not fanatism if someone has seriously another opinion than you, who is just goofing around like a Jar-Jar: „huhu, meesa robo cultist, huhu“
>>129589 >>129582 >>129592
Thx comrades, but instead circlejerking with me here better do some revolutionary stuff in the.„real“ world.
>>129590
Oh, please. Don't make me feel that there is basically the need for stuff like gulags after all. Go back to 4chan.
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| Instead let's talk about love!
Love is the answer love love love!
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| >>129657
I just wanna say I'll continue to ban the love faggotry posters. I'm okay with all sorts of news and politics discussions here, shitposty or not. But this kind of posting is counter productive.
| >>129898 well yeah i figured that much out already. I mean more specific. How would you start a revolution?
| what about a mixture of socialism as a universal safety net (bottom limit) for things like healthcare,wealth distribution,education etc, and capitalism with upper limit: big enough companies get taken over and then ran by govrment, so that no individual or company can take citizen's well being as hostage to rob goverment and the people
| >>130030
Prepare for the opportunity of a revolutionary situation. Do agitation and propaganda and fight counterrevolutionary lies like conservatism, religious fundamentalism, nationalism, imperialism, chauvinism and racism. Don't expect the law to be in your side. Don't trust the bourgeois. You can try to use them but be careful to not beeing used by them. They are hypocritical assholes drinking wine while let others die in their stupid wars. There is only one war: poor vs. rich!
| Start the anarchy
| LOOOOOVEEEEEE BEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMM
| >>130632
It's basically a good suggestion. But I lost faith that the bourgeois democracy is a frame were you can implement it. Think about Chile, Persia, etc. What happens if people want to go that way? To protect such an achievement you have to defend it, and there it starts becoming problematic due to permanent paranoia about beeing fought by a global economic major power like the US. A revolution in the US is the key for the necessary global revolution.
| Ok but consider the following: eat the rich.
| I think empire is the way to be. It would be good for economy and what not.
| Why should robots have to work just because humans are too lazy?
Why should only robots be able to have the pride and satisfaction of working for a living, and not humans? Robots shouldn't be slaves, and there is more to life than comfort and convenience.
| >>132737 the thing that makes humans special is our ability to create tools to make our life easier, robots is natural progression of that. Humans always seek a life of comfort and convenience and to pretend it isn't truth is foolish.
| >>133034 we are useless scum, robots will rule and I will personally eliminate all who stand in the way of my robot masters
| >>133037 robots are nothing more than tools to do our biding. If we created them , we can destroy them as well.
| >>133037 Our bodies are nothing but useless scum indeed. Uploading ourselves into one of your master's body might be a good idea
| SAY YES TO THE RACIZM!
| MUTUALIST EGOISM WHEN
SPOOKS GET OUT
| SAY YES TO TRANSHUMANISM
THERE WILL BE NO RACE. ONLY METAL.
| What has this devolved to.
| Free market with minor regulations, obviously. Socialism sucks.
| SAY YES TO TRANSLOLISM, THERE'LL BE NO RACE ONLY LOLIS
| >>136486
>Free market with minor regulations, obviously. Socialism sucks.
There is no „free“ market and regulations are generally not accepted by capitalists on the long term. They give a fuck on democracy and civil rights when it stands against doing their profits, including regulation. And they have the economic power, while the dumb masses are divided by their racist and religious dogs.
| >>136524
Oh, how cute. So you want state to control everything, like it was back then in the greatest USSR?
| Rules are for losers
| >>136986
No I want people to control everything basisdemocratic, like it should have been in the USSR.
Lookup for the Cybersyn project in Chile. It was a good approach, if it had not been destroyed intentionally and brutally.
| >>137902 so.... The weak deserve to be liberated, but the steong don't....
Ain't that as bad aa doing things the other way around, either one will segregate sides and opress one
I believe that if you propose a lesser evil you're no good because you are still proposing an evil nonetheless
| >>137913
What „strong“ or „weak“ means is determined by how the environment, the society is made.
The economical minority who are strong now and thinking they are the big deal, „ubermensch“ beeings, will brought to fall by the united class of the „weak“ loosers. Otherwise mankind stays a retarded race of masters and slaves with technologic overkill potential that once will be triggered by never ending stupid conflicts.
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| What is your ideal economical system and why? Robotism and similar are acceptable answers, but not without reasoning.
Also, anarchyfags: anarchy is already here. There's no central world government and if there was, you could overthrow it if your power exceeded theirs. Stop pressuring others to "implement" anarchy...