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I still think we should give communism a chance.
| Communism is a fantastic system that will NEVER work
| We need abundunt resource first tho.
Also original Marx said that you need to get to the highest point of capitalism to reach true communism.
| >>109242
Marx did not see that global capitalism could stuck in a senseless and deadly circle of destruction forever.
Unironicly the country that practically performs capitalism in a constructive (but also brutal and authoritarian) way is the „communist“ ruled China. Other countries tend to isolation or neo-colonialism. Nationalism, Racism and religious fundamentalism are (again) a big issue (even though they are also growing in china).
| The political left/progressive movements were tricked by neoliberalism to put all their power in identity politics, which divided the intellectual left from the not so well educated and increasingly exploited proletarian masses. This gap must be fixed, not by giving up ideal but by changing priorities: more sustainable class warfare from the (economical) bottom and less teansient identity politics. We need to support class identity against the right-winged fastfood identities.
| >>109348
It's not enough to say: huh, you're a white, old, hererosexual and/or christian man and struggle with the thought of equality to non-white, younger, homo/transsexual, non-christian and/or people.
You have to offer them a identity instead: as part of the global proletariat. The poor and exploited working class. And be careful in allying with the bourgeoisie. Take their money, but don't show to much solidarity with them. Class struggle comes first!
| >>109359
correction of above „and/or female people“
Be not afraid to fight the bourgeoisie even if a minority of supressed minorities could establish there. Be also careful with the stupidness of masses, that shout: „bring down the jewish fags“
Make them shout: „down with the bourgeoisie“ along with the majority of jewish fags that do not belong to the upper class.
| Let's plant some potatoes comrades
| communism has already been given many chances and the end result has always been less then satisfactory
| >>110168
so has socialism and communism and national socialism was also tried but the end result has been the same
| That is where comrades can be helpful. But a lot of folks feel repulsive to that notion and have excessive levels of the 'only me' ingredient, more than what is beneficial to self health.
| >>109104
you can think and believe what you want but that dose not change the fact that it has been
| i think true comunism couldnt set up by people, power gets to everyones heads. it should be instated by truely neutral (other than political spectrum) robots that can't be tempted by power or money
| Economy is fictitious
| >>110168
Capitalism led to two world wars and is going for a third one. And now we have a so called overkill potential, to wipe out mankind and making the planet explode several times. Communism on the other side was never really established, since it needs a almost full automated economy, a global government and basis-democratic councils. Real socialist countries often had to do modernisation and industrial development from backwardly, almost feudal societies and ex-colonies.
| >>110210
I'm not a robot and still personally give a fuck about money. I just want to pay my rent and buy some food. Everything else is available in superfetational ammounts, almost for free. I give a fuck about „trends“ and having the latest shit of everything all the time. Society is just insane, and it has nothing to do with human nature, since I'm human too. It's about freedom, free will and using brain.
| Capitalism is no worse than communism, what spoils any and everything in this world are idiotic jerks who see a way to take advantage of everything and extremist idiots who want to force their ideals on others
What I mean is that we must change our perspective of culture and our minds not the way economy and society works, forcing your ideals on others causes only revolt and discontent
| >>110710
Masses don't use their brains because they were told, indoctrinated, to do so. Capitalism is not about free and equal people, it's about stupid egomanism, murderous competition and enslavement of masses for the sake of some company/bank/licence owners. They need just stupid working drones and consumers. If they don't need them anymore due to automation and/or oversaturated markets they will gain money by letting them kill each other for „their“ nation, race or gods.
| >>110717
Don't talk rubish about forcing ideals to others while proclaiming your ideals that people should follow in your opinion.
Changing the way we organize economic power is the key to anything. The way peopke think are dependent from this circumstances. Capitalism is about private ownership of capital, which is just too much power. They rule masses with divide and conquer strategies by supporting nationalist, racists and religious extremists.
| >>110723 see? I tried to force my own idelas on you and you got discontent and angry, nothing wrong with my theory so far
| Eh, really you both are wrong from historic standpoint. Ideaology aside, many of the things that have been blamed on capitalism in this thread have existed outside of capitalism, and since before it as well.
| It does have its flaws, but many of the ones indicated here are incorrect.
| Communism 2.0, everyone has 4g chips on their brains because the "commu" in communism 2.0 means communication instead of community like it was on the first lame communism 1.0
| I would communism would work if whole socialist economy would be controlled by some kind of super intelligent AI who can analyze and collect all the data constantly
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The problem of communism is that it is simply a rewritten utopia. A utopia a priori is not achievable
| Ok so lest asume for a minute... Oh wait it has already failed multiple times don't tell me "that's because they didn't do it the way they we're soposed to " we are human and that implies having personal interest, flaws and virtues if you're not able to grow if you can then, why shouldn't you do it? Of course I don't that its fair to growing at the expense of everyone else but pure communism simply doesn't work you just can tell someone "hey the people choose you now you're...
| In charge of this state "and expect him to feel like he's one more in the crowd, that's simply not how humans work, pure capitalism isn't the way either the problem is that we as a society have been so polarized by political indoctrination that either every is great or everything is awful. We have to hit the sweet spot use the strengths of both capitalism and communism to our advantage only then we'll be able to grow as a species the only thing that we need to achieve incredible
| Milestones is work together has a whole in a place we're you can grow as large as you want without eating the little guy in the process. To conclude we need the private economical system with a way for the state to intervene whenever they feel like its getting out of hands.
| Fully automated, internationalist, transhumanism is the way.
| >>110803
How does industrialized warfare and mass murdeing occurs before capitalism? And what happened to all the monarchs, clerics and „highborn“ people if there is no progress of humanity? What about (theoretical) equality of people in front of the law in modern countries? Who is fighting for freedom and welfare for the (economical) weak? Why not go on and get rid of a society based on the assumption that owners of most property will do the right stuff for the sake of everyone?
| >>111809
I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but things already got out of hands again. And it will so everytime because no state stands a chance against the power of private property of capital on the long term. How many world wars you need until you finally accept this fact?
| >>111765
What if I don't care about what you think is achievable? For me is more important what is not desirable and to go in a direction that avoids unnecessary destructivity, pain and mass misery. And why should this direction not follow a impossible goal? To reach the best possible you have to aim the impoosible. Ofc. there always is the risk to make things worse if you try sth diffrent. But to makes things better you have to try diffrent ways.
| ››"Communism never did anything good for any country or people" - insert bourgeois propaganda here.
Comrads you do realize that democracy and republics have failed countless times
| Communism at least brought multiple third world countries up to the level of super powrrs. Yes the US "won" but at what cost. Reaganomics put us in more debt that ever, despite a brief period of growth that everyone ejaculates all over. The "right" and "left" within the US are just the tools for bourgeois to use to pass laws that will only help their companies. They are the same thing but with different colors, and no matter what third party rises up it'll end the same way
| The public will continue to allow the abuses of the ruling classes to continue because they are decieved into having a logic that these companies are good for them and if a company dies, they die. We pretend we have so many choices and individuality, but those are all just smoke and mirrors to distract from the fact that you really have no true choices.
| "Resetting" out county to its "formor glory" is just a lie we tell ourselves to sleep at night. It is only a delay of the enivatble
| Danger/u/ is communist
| >>112122
It is because of such mentality that people will kill people for wealth and propriety.
What you cant accept as truth is that china is doing that exact thing: allowing private posessions while intervening firmly when abuse shows up and society interests are in danger. And it is working out marvellously. You should go for a visit there to see for yourself.
| >>113573
Yeah it works in China, but beside the lack of human rights it does not solve the core problem of capitalism. You can't increase infinitely and exponential profits while increasing automation and wealthiness. And even thought China performs capitalism in the most accurate way by investing in new markets and developing infrastructure in economic weak countries (instead of destroying it), there is also as growing nationalism and militarization and fears of economic crisis.
| >>113573
Most people don't kill for wealth and property. They usually kill for lies from the big property owners. They promise wealthiness, peace and glory. Sometimes even just for a afterlives, that probably even doesn't exist and even if, killing people may not account as sth good than. Never trust the promises of the bourgeois, bankers, enterpreneurs, advertizers, your employers and the politicians they own. They are the same selfish liars as everyone is ment to be in capitlism.
| >>113656
I forgot clerics: Never ever trust people that proclaim to speak for a bigger power (like god) that even is not visible, accessible and proofable. In the end they only preach for themselves. Believe what you want.
| yikes
| READ 1984.
| Communism/socialism is only a good idea if you enjoy watching a country starve on masse
| capitalism and communism are both inherently flawed, the abuse and the under-minding of the lower and middle classes when it comes to capitalism, and the abuse of power, and less oppurtunity to the masses that communism gives.
| communism, may have been made out of good spirit, and intent, but in reality, it has always failed.
| ok ok guys
let's see
there wouldn't be anime in socialist system because they are a fucking DIRTY ASSHOLES
you know
Russia would invent anime, they had all chances
but then Lenin ruined everything
and anime was invented by JAPANESE
and it's sooooo fucking degenerate now
because japs are fucked up
communism is a failure
defend anime-conservatism in your neighbourhood
create anime-conservative militia today
thank you
| Instead of communism let's do cumunism
| i am already doing cumunism while being a part of capitalist system, and i am doing just fine. People CUM BETTER when living in capitalism
| The people that started this movement were kikes. They fucked the history of many proud and developing allies for the sake Jewish principle.
| Look at Africa and tell me if this shit really deserves another chance, Look, I'd really love to argue with you g/u/rl, but hell, the many deaths it caused, the socialist regimes (Just like Venezuela) that are killing and torturing people, hell yea, let's give a chance again, no way in hell there will be someone that will fuck it up like it happened every other fucking time
| >>117736 Problems of Venezuela were caused by stupid capitalist decisions (depending entirely on oil) not socialism
| >>117810 that were very centralised government and dependance on one product, making the estate way too big, what's the name of the ideology that likes big estates and that Venezuela follow? Oh yeah, it's Socialism, boi, you can see our own guys from Sukeban opposing Maduro government, opposing Socialismo, showing how it really is and you turn a blind eye?
| >>117926 I'm left wing. But I agree that Venezuela's problen didn't come from capitalist. The government even tried to suppress all the private company there.
The problem didn't lie on socialism, however. I think it's more on bad leadership and corruption.
| Need I mention China's "Great Leap Forward" disaster?
| >>118043
Venezuela suffers from three things:
Proclaiming to oppose global capitalism AND the US
while
Relying economy only on oil export
while
Having an incompetent, corrupt and reactionist government.
Even thought the US had to destroy their environment and poison their people and doing warfare and support of dictatorships and religious extremists in near east to bring the oil price down. Which was not primary about Venezuela but against Russia and China. It's just a side effect.
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| Hate commies one intimidated me into agreeing with his point of view today and he was scary
| Any political ideology utopian by design will always fail. Humans are nasty shitty things and always will be. I reckon the most cyberpunk ideology is agorism tho. Always seemed a cool idea tho it's probably impossible.
| Just die already fucking stupid communists living in a fucked up perception of the world made almost a century ago by some useless bitch that wanted to spread chaos just for the kicks
| >>118570
>Humans are nasty shitty things and always will be.
Pls. speak just for yourself. I don't see me and the people I love that way.
| I would align myself with any communist as long as he/she is not anarchist or Trotskyist
| Mmmm, communismus thread.
Communism is fantastic, because people ur shit)))
| >>119008
Are you a stalinist or what?
I think one of the main failures in post-revolutionary soviet-union was the brutal way Stalin dealt with anarchists and trotzkyisks. Most of them shared marx/engels interpretation of the world, which is basically (important:) historical (!) materialism (not to be confused with general materialism).
| >>118888
Indeed, you are like just everyone else. Everyone doesnt see themselves and those they love that way. And out of that minuscule in comparison circle is EVERYONE else on the world.
Humanity is shit indeed. Always has been, always will be.
| >>119631 I am Marxist-Leninist, I know Soviet Union (especially Stalin) made mistakes, but grand projects this rarely succed from the first time.
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| Hey, ancient Europe just wasn't doing it right.