Are people morons?
| >be Brazil
>Rightoid gets into power, destroys the amazon, tries to do a coup, fails, then collides with foreign powers to try to tariff your own country
>be Argentina
>Rightoid gets into power, destroys the economy with narco-corruption
>be USA
>Rightoid gets into power, tries to do a coup and destroys the country with tariffs, deportations and tyranny
>Be France
>Rightoid doesn't get into power, still finds a way to do mass corruption by stealing taxpayer funds
| "You don't get it bro, this new rightoid for sure is gonna fix everything!!!"
Are people stupid? I talked to a guy the other day who admitted to voting for Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, are they just retarded? Is it just a matter that they scream the loudest so all the thoughtless NPCs gravitate around them by default?
So far every modern far-right govt has been an absolute sham of corruption and failure. Are people just gonna keep falling for this shit?
| Yes they are morons and so are the ones voting for left wing governments thinking it will fix everything.
The government isn't our friend, they aren't heroes or anything to be treated as an idol, they are here to keep order and try get away with as much a they can before shit hits the fan.
It's our duty make them follow whats good for us, not the contrary.
| no, it's just left wing is a disappointment and they got no one else to vote
also you're cherrypicking
| and you're obsessed
| >>bc3060
Can we agreed that the people who are voting are still morons?
The absolute state of electoral candidates regardless of political affiliation has been just shit vs scat yet people still vote with full conviction that either one will "fix our country".
| >>1075631
you're a "leftie" and i'm a "rightoid", pretty sure we're both closer minded than we think.
bet the mental image we have of each other is just some sock puppet we got in our head.
and sometimes we almost see through it, and that's the moment we realize we fucking hate politics and everyone who lives by it.
it's just one of those things that's good at sucking morons in and just feeding on their energy and attention.
it's tiresome, it's base, it's immature.
shallow.
| sometimes i retreat within myself and feel like building a life in the woods, alone, building my own hut with money from a quiet part time job at some village store.
voting, posting, judging, acting, being social, career, finances, future, geopolitics, scrolling, porn, stress and worries, fucking hell...
| we can compete in how well we each are at running the comm/u/ne:
my job, builder (anything wood, metal, concrete you got it) farmer (crops only... potato moment) other things maybe idk
| we'll see how the leftie likes their free housing when rightoid builds their comm/u/ne log cabin!
| >>1075634
I'm not OP and I'm definitely not a leftie, not a rightoid either...
I think people are idiots for even considering making affiliations taking sides.
| >>1075638
I'm good at project management, quality assurance and also handling security, I can make sure projects within the communes are actually organized and shared equally.
| >>1075641
just take it the mature route and stop taking it seriously. it's mostly just a meme. instead turn it into fun and ridicule by overusing the terms and employing it ironically. i call myself a rightoid all the time for mild reasons. i'm not really that invested.
>>1075642
i'll build you a log cabin and fuck you in it as a power move
| >france
>rightoids not in power
are *you* a moron?
| Progressivism is actually the true way forward for humanity, it's in the name. Progress.
| >>756a87 OP here, Macron has all sorts of issues but I'd separate him from the modern movement of ultra-rightards who you see in other countries. Of course If I wanted to get into all the bad I think about Macron, that would have to be a whole separate other post.
| I used to believe in the wishy-washy confusionist "the right and the left are both bad!!! it's just the system against the people man!!!", but that stopped being relevant a long time ago. It's fashionable for people who think they're smart to say that right and left are outdated categories, yet no one has ever managed to come up with a categorization that makes more sense. The right-left dychotomy is still more relevant than ever.
| We've seen rightards destroy entire civilization with their corruption and tyranny, we've had two wars with mass murder and genocide started by countries that were vanguards of the global rightoid movement. At the end of the day, fascism is a death cult and we're seeing the consequences now.
| >>1075628 Ok Cite me one successful rightard government of these past 30 years that hasn't been a complete mess of corruption and democratic backsliding. Meanwhile the most successful european government of these past few years is Spain under Pedro Sanchez, who achieved record growth. And that was under a socialist party.
| >>1075625 also,
>Be the UK
>Moronic populists fear-monger about immigration, start a referendum to leave the biggest trading block on the continent and split from your closest economic partners because "muh immigration"
>win the referendum, immediately impose insane austerity that pushes economic decline
>your lower classes are so impoverished as a result that british kids are on average shorter than french kids, due to not getting enough nutrition.
>economy goes to the shitter
| >ten years later the same morons who pushed the Brexit insanity come back to convince people to vote for them cause this time they'll really fix the country
>mfw people actually believe them
| >>1075708
Hey OP not disagreeing that righ wing governments aren't good but like can you cite left wing governments that are good? And I do mean actually good.
Otherwise I think you are just cherry picking and being crazy biased.
| >>1075717 Just cited one, Pedro Sanchez in Spain, Lula in Brazil is amazing, during his earlier terms with his anti-poverty policies lifting millions of brazilians out of the favelas. Rational, facts-based social democracy wins best, compared to irrational rightardation.
| Also even moderate right-wing governments can still be decently successful, but the insane far-right ones ruin their countries without exception.
| >>1075727
Please don't bring Brazil as an example, Lula sucks he has ties to one of the biggest money laundry schemes in the history of the world...
He has been arrest before too, als his anti poverty policies are more about keeping the population poor than actually provide lift to the lower class, his administration also suffer from aggressive taxations that create a further gap between between the rich and the poor and breaks middle class.
| And btw he always excuses that shit as "regulating the market" and protecting the local industry despite his taxes mostly targeting products which Brazil has no local industry.
And well, all that money is never seen by the people, public hospitals lack in staff and resources, public schools don't have proprer infrastructure nor are people paid good enough salaries, crime is rampant in many big cities too.
| Brazil has never been good, nor has ever had governments that actually care for their population, regardless of if the left or the right were in power.
It's outright naive o say Lula was amazing when we see what was goin on among the elites of the country during his time as president, ir was only amazing if you were high midde class or rich.
| >Be Israel, rightoids get in Power and support rightoids in palestine.
>Be Palestine. Don't exist. But in Gaza rightoids get in Power with help from rightoids in israel.
>Be Israel, fight the rest of palestine and occupy their territories. Of course not gaza, because they're their brothers in spirit.
>Be Hamas in Gaza. After murder all centre-left opposition, invade israel and massacre hundreds jews
>Be Israel invade gaza and murder thousands.
=just the usual rightoid policy.
| the usual cherrypicking leftoid, they'll never talk about maduro, mao zedong or stalin, all the while having no idea what "the right" is and just use it as equa to "those i don't like"
| >>1075765 Yeah cause I'm only talking about far-right government in the last 30 years, if you wanna talk about Mao or Stalin then we'd also have to talk about Pinochet and Hitler, but that wasn't the subject lil bro. You're the one moving the goalposts, not me.
You're gonna deny that Milei, Trump, Fidesz etc are part of the same global rightoid movement? They admit it themselves all the time lol
| Also fuck Maduro, the bastard's been denounced by basically every other leftist in south america apart from maybe like Cuba and Nicaragua. But if you think voting for a center-left party in europe or the US is the same thing as wanting Maduro you're a drooling retard.
Rightoids everywhere praise Milei, Trump and Pitler as their examples for society. Only a few extreme tankies ever praise Maduro.
| >>1075766
>You're gonna deny that Milei, Trump, Fidesz etc are part of the same global rightoid movement?
I don't think anyone here denied that...
| >>1075767
>Rightoids everywhere praise Milei, Trump and Pitler as their examples for society
tranny's fictional scenario...
| People like Ciotti in France constantly talk about the "Milei method", so do right-wingers in eastern europe.
Trump has been exporting and trying to influence politics in other countries for a while, most recently in Brazil where he threatened them with tariffs if they didn't let Bolsonaro off the hook.
Meanwhile Pitler has been praised by people like Zemmour and Le Pen, not to mention that he's funding basically every rightoid party.
| i can lump all people i don't like in the same bag too, which is peak NSDAP propaganda techniques.
so you're in league with stalin, mao zedong, all USSR satellite dictator states, the cheka/NKVD killers, 100 million dead by communism, and if you try to wrigge your ass out by using manipulative shit like "uhmm modern era only please!!" i'll bring up xi jinping and the uighur genocide, forced labor camps, execution of dissenters, prisoner organ harvesting, totalitarian state etc.
| and YES, maduro too, faggot, i see your "no true scotsman"
all in all, keep gaslighting, keep praying for that gotcha moment, you're just another baizuo in the end
| "bunch all people who disagree with you in a bag" conspiracy moment, classic
i can't wait for "accuse your enemy of that which you are doing", and "keep repeating a lie and people start to believe it"
| most totalitarianism in modern era was led by a left wing hand.
so keep whining little bro.
| >>1075796
Ayo, here is something people don't talk enough about, people care so much about islamophobia and how the USA and EU are having growing cases of it (even tho they have open borders for receiving Islamic immigrants), but I barely see people talk about what is going on in China, then again, there is a genocide in Gaza, so I guess 2 too much to the internet to care...
| >>1075765
The typical cherrypicking rightoid. They talk always and only about maduro, mao zedong or stalin, all the while having no idea what "the left" is and just use it as equa to "those i don't like".
Honest question: do the boots of your capitalist/fascist leaders taste that good to you?
| >>1075796
yeah, just do us a favour and go to the ukrainian/russian front and enjoy one of the many benefits of capitalism.
Or go to one of those many places on earth, where 1st world capitalism offshored the highly exploitative ugly work to... Have fun in a rare earth mine, a textile or microelectronic sweatshop or harvesting drugs for 1st world people.
If you prefer to stay here, be careful: There may be evil communism in your clothes or electronics.
| >>1075799
>most totalitarianism in modern era was led by a left wing hand
This is correct, but unfortunately for you only by using stalinist methods, where results depend on how you count.
| >>1075819
well the difference is no matter how ugly it gets, capitalism gets shit done...
and i'll take your miniature examples over gulags and torture and 100 million dead by communism, any day.
and clothes and electronics i get aren't distributed by state companies, that's capitalism. you were trying to have your sissy tier gotcha moment but you just showed you don't know what either of these things are.
>>1075818
the typical rightoid is just "talk about commie leaders" lmao
| the real truth which you are too pussy to consider is that left and right is nothing but a masculine/feminine divide... there is almost nothing else involved, maybe a few smoke and mirrors... those terms don't mean anything anymore, because the left kept retreating inwards with their talking points because they don't work (communism, pro-immigration) and the right kept dropping the debate because their ideas continuously became the norm (capitalism, free market etc).
| now, little bro, i know your response won't bring anything of value to this world, just as my replies don't either.
instead i challenge you to this: how about you, as a good little leftie chickenwing, actually fucking bring something of value to this world, which appeals to your political positions? i don't see you campaigning for better healthcare and whatnot. you're just wasting your time and energy getting mad on an anonymous cyborg kissing forum.
| i advise you to turn your "destroy X" into "construct the opposite of X". which values make you spring forward? isolate them, identify them, and just try to bring more of those into the world. you getting baited on a textboard is hardly mature or constructive.
| >>1075796
>Points out that the current wave of rightoid govts are failures
"reee what about Stalin!!!! le 100 gorillion dead Venezuela no iphone!"
I didn't talk about earlier time periods because if you want to get into the 20th century then we'd have to also talk about how a right-winger started the bloodiest war in human history, but I didn't, because it would be stupid to imply that right-wingers today defend Hitler, cause they don't.
| But you drooling morons actually have to bite the bullet lmao
I never posted anything about being against capitalism or being in favor of communism, but immediately you freaked out and went full "ree you're a heckin commie who loves stalin!!!", because you have no arguments to defend the current failure of rightoids so you have to shift the goalposts to evade the question, but I'm not letting your punk ass get off that easy.
| >>1075823
Yeah bro cause the rightard govts are so effective, just don't look to hard at the results in
>Hungary
>Russia
>USA
>Brazil
>Argentina
looks like every anti-immigration govt ends up in mass corruption and tyranny.
Which you can't actually defend cause your only talking point is to shift then goalposts towards 20th century history. (which doesn't end up looking to good for rightards either.)
| New Challenge:
can you guys actually give me an argument for modern rightardation that isn't just a thought-terminating cliche like "muh gommunism"? Cause so far no one has defended Stalin, or Maduro, and your only argument to defend yourselves is to accuse whoever disagrees of being "le heckin commie". What happened to your arguments? Yeah you faggots don't have any, that's what I thought, which is why you have to constantly shift the goalposts.
| "Ree you love stalin and Maduro!!!" No the fuck I don’t. I never said that. This is the classic /pol/tard argument of "everyone who disagrees is a commie". You guys just can’t defend the modern far-right movement because we all know it sucks.
Trump is a failure, Orban is a failure, Milei is a failure, Pitler is a failure, Brexit was a failure, Bolsonaro was a failure, all of them suck and made their countries worse off.
This isn’t 2017 anymore. You will be held accountable.
| >>1075831
The problem is that retards like you are taking people’s healthcare coverage away, like trump did with his bill in the US. The drooling morons you idiots put in power are the reason why our civilization is declining. That’s why they should be held accountable for their failures.
| >>1075823 Yeah bro actually its just about based masculine vs cringe feminine bro so true bro
you need to fuck your own knee, kid
if you seriously think the modern left is in any part communist you got your brain fvked early on and it just shows what echo chambers you frequent
another ameritard who got his brain fried by bipartisan politics RIP
American century of humiliation will continue until morale improves
| Yall fighting like children and we still haven't gotten a comparable list of actually good left win governments...
This left right shit really just deflects from problems.
| >>1075849 wtf even is "left" and "good" in your definition???
I mean does China count? Or Vietnam? Do the Zapatista count?
All of these were pretty good in achieving their goals imo, even when pitted against overwhelming odds.
Are they fully biblically morally "good"?No. But then what government is?
| >>1075850
>But unless we establish arbitrary metrics, turns out no government is good regardless of being left or right wing since no government is perfect and morality can be subjective at times.
You are almost getting there...
| there's no point in debating these histrionic lefties anymore, because they're not trying to understand you. they only want to use you as a prop on their "i'm fighting for the justice of the world!!!" theater play. they feel like they already figured everything out and just want to convince themselves they're heroes, hence "social justice warrior" terms. a waste of time and energy, you're not talking to a person but an ideology. aids tier
| >>1075855
I don't like dehumanizing people or thinking they are incapable of change or reflection, if they feel like they figured everything out, we should just ask questions and see if they truly know everything, thats how you properly dismantle people who treat politics like a cult
They start dismissing, deflecting and making shit up, its just proves that they don't have everything figured out, works on both the left and the right btw, just ask questions, its basically foolproof
| Whether figure that out rethink their biases or start getting angry and throws insults is not my problem anymore.
| >>1075855 Keep dodging lil bro so far we've had zero people actually capable of engaging with what I'm saying.
I called out your retarded accusations of communism so now you have to cope with "you're not trying to understand me!!!"
(cause ranting about muh commies as a goalpost-shift is so much more nuanced).
Modern Rightoids have done insane corruption every time they've gotten into power and they don't want you to question it.
| Their only argument is "everyone who disagrees is muh communist" "You just think you're a good guy!", and all of this is just in response to pointing out that the guys they've been cocksucking these past ten years have turned their respective countries into shitholes. Not a single person was actually able to engage with what I was saying. So yeah, this is very much confirming my preexisting biases.
| >>1075849 I pointed out two examples, and I said that I don't have anything against moderate center-right governments anyways. Once again it's goalpost shifting and distraction, you guys can't handle the fact that I'm calling out the corruption and tyranny of far-right govts so you have to shift the attention to some other shit. But I'm not letting you punk ass bitches get off so easily.
| >>1075863
You pointed out 1 example, Brazil does no count as an example of good left win government, I only cant talk about spain because idk what goes on there and even then, why can't you bring more examples?
The problem isn't far right governments, its bad governments in general, you are polarizing an issue and masking it as only being a right wing problem, your call out is just bullshit to keep people divided and then you complain about deflecting for not fitting narrative
| yap yap yap
| >>1075856
how do you evaluate who knows everything without knowing everything yourself? How you make sure you don't seek for confirmation for your already existing left or right leaning views?
Of course the left istn't always right or morally superior. But what we experience from the right side is far from being moderate. It's amoralic views obscured through tons of cheap but yet effective lies.
| >>1075836
Its the true, true scotsman. They want decide who is a true leftist for them. The most absurd thing I heard this year was german fascist party leader agreeing with elon musk that hitler was a leftist. Rightists propaganda theorists are obsessed with (re-)gaining definition superiority. It works so far for them, but at some point it won't anymore. Their calculation is that once they are in charge they can enforce their fabricated truths anyways. But it won't work.
| >>1075833
>it would be stupid to imply that right-wingers today defend Hitler, cause they don't.
Reality is even more stupid:
Right-wingers today say Hitler was a leftist/socialist.
| Regarding Venezuala:
Chavez was not perfect. But he was popular and under his rule the situation for the very poor people improved. The situation in latin america for governments that claim to be "socialist" and even more contradicting U.S. interests is deadly, even if they're democratically elected. A huge failure of chavism (beside the person cult) was finding alternatives to oil export while not investing in it's maintenance. And Maduro prioritized staying in power.
| We will see, if he is capable or willing to solve those problems, now as he managed to consolidate his power against international pressure, sanctions and democratic standards. I'm afraid he's not. But all of this has few to do with communis, capitalism and the fundamental global conflict between capitalists and proletarians. Maduro is a left-winged nationalist and an opportunist. I don't know if he's a nepotistic drug trading mafia boss, too. Maybe, maybe not.
| What people fail to see, discussing about historical communist regimes, is that they usually emerged in backwarded feudal or even colonialized countries that had to carry a heavy burden from previous regimes. The U.S. and western Europe had the situation of being industrialized earlier, exploiting colonies and partially even got rid of feudal structures. Communism/Socialism was never meant to emerge as nationalistic/anti-colonialist movement out of feudal structures.
| However, even the probably "better" way of modernization (industrialization, republicanisation) in the west still led to horrors such as mass famine, world wide genocidal wars and highly opressive regimes that usually where openly anti-communist/socialist.
| So rightists now blame ANY COMMUNIST (or even just social democrats or liberals) for the horrors of stalinism, maoism, etc. Why they find it unfair if we blame ANY of them (and if its even only moderate conservatives or liberals) for Hitler, Franco, Pinochet, the IS, mass poverty, exploitation and mass famines under explicit non-socialist/communist reign?
| Not to forget the 7 years war (basically the first world war) and WW1 and the countless violent knockdowns and mass murderings against protesting workers, gays, women, slaves and people in colonialized countries...
| >>1075865 I did bring examples, the problem is that it doesn't fit your bullshit "muh both sides" moral relativist narrative.
It's fashionable for pseudo-intellectuals to claim that the left-right dichotomy is nonsense, yet no one so far has come up with anything that can come close to being as relevant and coherent.
"No don't call out the corruption of rightards, that's divisive!" You know what else is divisive? The tyranny and corruption that's being enacted by rightoids.
| Over the last few years we've been constantly chastised for calling out rightoids "you're being divisive! we need more bipartisanship and reaching across the aisle!!!", news flash, that didn't change shit, amidst all the calls for reconciliation, rightoids have only gotten angrier, more divisive, and more dictatorial. Now we have people getting deported form the US for having memes of JD Vance on their phone, why the fuck should we bend the knee?
| We have two massive wars in gaza and ukraine started by rightoid governments, but it's "divisive" to point out that there's a rightoid problem? These are the guys being sold to us as the solution to our problems, yet they're the ones threatening our democracy and civilization.
"You don't like the guys causing genocides and destroying democracy??? ok what's your alternative then genius???" bruh what kind of stupid ass question is that? I'm guessing that's "divisive" too?
| All across the west, the rightoid ideology and govt is the system being sold to us by the elites as the solution, I'm pointing out that it clearly isn't, and you can look at the track record of these govts. It's absurd to say that's "dividing people". Defending democracy from tyranny is not divisive, it's the opposite, what you're proposing is just to ignore the problem by going "it's a problem of all bad govts in general". Everyone notices the pattern.
| based realist vs delusional rightoid
| I see it comming, in decades in the future as the rightoid bullshit propaganda can't conceal the rotten results their bullshit policies anymore, there will be a new rightoid shit wave (I suggest calling them new-true-neo-alt-right v8.8a) declare Trump et al were leftists.
Nixon, Reagan, Bush (x2), Trump: They hold the record of being the most shitty US presidents of all time. Anti-democratic, war criminals and godfathers of terror.
| >>1076020
What backwards logic did do you even use to thinking that I know everything (I don't), the point is about people who think they do, and well, I already explained how we dismantle that.
| >>1076050
You brought up Brazil, which is a shit hole, and spain, which the more I research the more I notice that people are unsatisfied with their government history
How can you even claim they are good examples of left wing government if they have the same problems the right wing ones do?
| Dont even wanna get into you strawman rant about shit nobody said here...
You guys are just acting like the morons you criticize, blindly following a side and ignoring the evils within it while spending energy blaming everyone else.
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| >Be Hungary
>Rightoid gets into power, turns a promising country into a den of corruption and tyranny by stealing EU funds for his own cronies
>be Russia
>Rightoid gets into power, destroys his country by starting a meaningless war and sending an entire generation to die in Ukraine, rants about "gender-neutral bathrooms" while millions of his countrymen still lack indoor plumbing