retard here: what if the government just never gets reopened
| is the fed still harvesting taxes? because it's awesome if not
| tax collection continues during a shut down
but like what if you just don't pay them?
What then?
| >tax collection continues during a shut down
american moment
| at this point split every state into its own country, see which one does better
| >>1075453
can we please have the mexicans take both cali and texas back? it would fix the us in one fell swoop
| >>c6ac54 It would be a disaster economically and would lead to an explosion of violence, but it would also get rid of WASP culture so I'm 50/50 on whether that's a bad thing or not
| >>1075453 Yeah, what's the point of the great government if the gov is shutdown and doesn't do anything
| Some states like California would have no problem to be on its own. The only interesting thing about Texas is (beside the kitchen) their oil. They may become some kind of third world redneck evangelican white trash trailerpark caliphate under the absolute rule of some oil sheiks. But in all imaginable scenarios of secession in the U.S. are massively determined by one important question: Who gets the nukes? Just have a look at how things went with former USSR states...
| >>1075506 california would be however i do truly believe the second all of you retards try to leave the whole world would lick its lips at the thought of taking it over. Also topkek "thems whiteys shore r crazy isn't theys"
| >>1075467
there is a way to access hispanics, economic disaster and lack of WASP culture simultaneously, go to mexico
| >>1075514
I think it's funny how people in some smaller countries wish for the death of America as if America isn't what stands between them and invading forces.
| >>1075538
say that again after gaddafi being taken out by nato and leading to immigration crisis AND saddam being taken out and leading to ISIS *g*o* *a*h*e*a*d*
| >>1075538
To a fair amount of smaller countries America is the invading force. You really think people outside the US see them as protector, liberator or role model?
Most of us hate the US. It's a rotten, failed society full of bigotry and mass stupidity. While russia and china are orwellian type of dystopia, the us is huxleys brave new world kind of dystopia.
| >>1075506
cali is an apartheid state. if you earn less than $120k a year you're about as well off as the xhosa and treated accordingly
thank you based newsom for sending bulldozers after the poor
| >>1075551 the reason the us went so fucking hard after the middle east (which caused saddam to become such a prominent force, which in turn caused 9/11) was because Netanyahu testified in front of the us government saying Iraq had made nuclear missiles and wanted to use them.
| wtf its actually true. He committed an act of terrorism which killed countless Americans and damaged our prestige by doing so and needs to be taken out and replaced with someone more cooperative
| >>1075749
Appartheid is not about treating people according to their earning. Appartheid is treating people after their ethnicity. California is not an appartheid state, it's a capitalist class society. If you earn less than 120k a year you just don't belong to the upper-class but to the petite bourgeoisie or proletariat. This is capitalism, and capitalism is good because capitalism is what people want, say the capitalists.
| >>1075870
Sadam hussein...
- had NOTHING to do with 9/11.
- was no islamist and did not attack the U.S.
- didn't attack or threaten israel
- was a puppet dictator who was supported by the U.S. to fight iran (where the u.s. fucked up before)
- was beaten iran and decided to arround and attack kuweit instead.
This was the only actual problem the U.S. had with hussein: He failed as their puppet.
| >>1075870
>>1075893
This is what the US actually did in the near east:
https://www.youtube.com/@thraw12345
| The US overthrew at least two democratically elected goverments, replacing it with a brutal dictatorship:
- Iran
- Chile (the actual horrible "9/11")
Additionally they fought development countries, they were afraid of becoming "communist" (why being afraid of something that isn't supposed to work?) introducing brutal and corrupt dictators and religious extremists (most notably islamists). Even thought islamists are idiots, attacking the WTC and Pentagon wasn't their worst choice.
| And also there was Vietnam, where they threw more bombs on that small country everyone did during WW2. Even after they "lost" (US casualties are ridiculous compared to what the viet people had to suffer from for their "victory") they supported twisted stone-age-communist terrorists in cambodia (khmer rouge) to fuck the viets a second time.
There were only two interventions done by the U.S. that turned out to be good: WW1 and WW2 (both led by democrats). Everything else was shit.
| With the election of Trump people in the U.S. showed either that they're complete idiots or total assholes.
One must be very deluded to believe that Trump stands for democracy, peace and common prosperty. His clique is not interested in peoples well being, neither in the U.S. nor elsewhere. They're only interested in gaining personal Power and Profits. It's all what their ideology is about in it's core.
| >>1075960 I believe both party's are fucking complete dictatorships fighting each other in the most pathetic ways imaginable. Personally I want blood to be shed, all of the politicians currently campaigning and who are in and have served should be brutally and publicly executed. Shut down the borders for a few years and kill anything that gets close without permission
| >>1075967
No, they're not both the same. Democracts where always the better choice. The best u.s. presidents where democrats, while the most disgusting ones who fucked up the most where republicans (trump is no exception here). However, a big issue with the democrats is their cowardish bowing to and ties with the capitalists. They don't understand, that their superficial liberalism is undermined by their economical conservatism, ultimately paving the way to trump-/fascism.
| >>1075982 democrats only care about being re elected now. They dont give a fuck about their voters, just that they say the things to get you to vote. Flood the country with migrants that drive up housing costs, lowers wages, raises taxes so that you can support them through welfare so they will keep voting for them
| >>1075987
I can afford paying taxes. My earnings are about 80k/year. I also find welfare a good thing, because it mostly helps those working in neccesary but shitty paid jobs. And I know that migrants don't drive up housing costs, but rich people, banksters, speculants and real estate moguls. Those who work on my houses construction side are mostly migrants, most of those who work for people that depend on welfare are migrants too (childcare, nursing, etc.)
| On a global scale, I'm overpayed, because investors are still hyped by the "AI" shit I'm working with - a high risk speculation bubble that will burst.
I know that welfare is also subventioning highly exploitative jobs and business models. And I'm sure that most migrants didn't dream of doing servant jobs for white people. But this is what post-colonialist capitalism is like. And the profiteers say this is good and what people want.
| It's out of my scope to change that. I'm sure this is another bubble that's going to burst. The only thing I will do is fighting the lies spread by the profiteers. Lies such as the country is beeing flodded with immigrants who all live from welfare which somehow drived up the housing prices. It's basically the same bullcrap we already had in nazi germany, where they blamed the jews, socialists, gays, etc. instead the actual mostly native profiteers and reactionists.
| >>1076018 if the borders weren't left open and illegal were properly deported, then maybe those migrants wouldn't be be here with crushed dreams doing the>servant jobs for white people
| Remember to ignore trolls gurls! Who wants a kiss instead!?
| most leftie idiots fail this simple test:
1) be socialist
2) not letting 1) stop them from being anti-immigration too
as long as you are incapable of humility and compromise you will never have the brains to re-appropriate right wing talking points people are voting for thus you will continue to lose
| i'm waiting for right wing socialists
| >>1076149
>as long as you are incapable of humility and compromise
Most centre-left movements compromised so much, that their politics and rhetorics has become indistinguishable from rightists: neoliberal, nationalistic, social-darwinist, racist, militaristic. And did it help them? No, they're still labeled as "evil communist" by rightist propaganda.
| >>1076197
all you had to say in your ridiculous comment is "the principle of compromise is best honored if it's mutual"
| >>1076232
The capitalist class is not interested in compromise anymore. They only were when they were challenged by soviet power. But soviet power is no more. They're all good, free and peaceful capitalist nations now, aren't they?
The global rise of neo-fascism is a direct threat to the proletarian masses:
"If you don't shut up and go back to work 80h/week 5$/hour until you die for our profits, we have enough deluded goons in your ranks that'll shoot you down."
| >>1076017 more people = higher demand but that is also true blackrock is a blight on society and needs death.
>>1076019 ladies and gentlemen who were the native profiteers???? :)
>>1076084 highschooler detected, he made a point you went to ad hominem instead of attacking the point, go take that class yourself while you still have free schooling.
>>1076234 the left is the side of the oligarchs my dood, tech billionaire who spam hire h1b visas to force you out of the job market
| >>1076234 and also look up what happened to Venezuela, capitalist country 3rd richest nation in that hemisphere, voted socialist reforms in and within 1 generation it is now one of the poorest nations. Don't sit here and yap about how good socialist nations are just by default, the only ones that have worked are, shockingly, ones with high racial unity! Gasp!
| >>1076258
>3rd richest nation
Guess who rules the currently 2nd richest country in the world (listed by private health)... Oh no crap it's a /communist/ party. Also most top 10 countries in these rankings have policies that are considered to be "socialist" in the U.S.
>voted socialist reforms
I wonder why people that are allegedly where all that rich voted for those reforms with a democratic majority. Seems like the (oil based) wealth was only accessible for a few.
| >>1076258
>Don't sit here and yap about how good socialist nations are just by default,
>the only ones that have worked are, shockingly, ones with high racial unity! Gasp!
Ah I see, there you come from. At least Juguslawia and the USSR worked out better as socialist countries because they managed to provide a socialist unity for different ethnicities and nationalities, who in capitalism murdererd each other - and they continued as they turned back capitalist.
| >>1076258
And suprisingly some of the wealthiest countries are islamistic absoulute monarchies with sharia law enforcement even worse than the most failed real-socialist regimes. Those autocratic dessert nomad nobility was pampered by the capitalist british, followed by the capitalist US. You'd suggest turning all oil-rich countries in absolute monarchies that are Uncle Sams bitch? To "save" people there from "evil socialism"? Like those other countless capitalist dicatorships?
| >>1076366
>Don't sit here and yap about how good socialist nations are just by default
nobody says that. Humble socialists know and acknowledge that many socialist regimes failed horribly in some cases partially even turning out as worse as fascist regimes. They failed to fulfill the goals they aimed. But that doesn't make those goals bad ones. Capitalist goals are all about increasing profit and fascist goals are to make sure that this is only their ideologically radiated clique.
| >>1076365
so how communist is china's economic system pretty please?
it's real communism this time around too, right? with the concentration camps and minority genocides and activists executions and totalitarianism and mass censorship and all...
>considered "socialist" by the US
that's like saying considered "imperialist" by north korea.
>>1076366
USSR and yugoslavia, which, as we all know, ripped themselves apart at ethnic or national lines... continue?
| >>1076367
well it seems to have worked out better than for USSR's ex satellite states.
talk about fascist dictatorships again, little guy, i'll talk about china then.
>>1076368
i have nothing to say against humility because i like and respect it, but you seem to be conflating idealistic goals with realistic ones. nevermind if they are good or bad.
| >>1076367 nope never said that Islam is a plague on this earth and all deserve a bullet, monarchy was a necessity back in humanity's history but we've reached the point of no longer needing it.
>>1076368 and actually that is incredibly refreshing to hear and restores a little bit of faith. I guess I have never talked to this humble socialist. Ive only ever really interacted with the Hasan fan or the hyper lefty here in Portland.
| >>1076383
Yeah, not for women, which are 50% of population and not for jemenites and not for all those workers imported from west-asia who are basically treated like slaves. And industrialized 1st world countries keep exporting weapons in those regions but shit their pants when unarmed people flee in rubber boats to them, where all the blood soaked money stacks. But your 1st world capitalist paradise island showcase is collapsing right before your eyes now everywhere.
| >>1076436 ladies and gentlemen we found the pajeet!!!!! your people flee from your own incompetence, your country used to be incredible with fantastic artistry then islam came in and the caste system and wow would you look at that, third world country with most economic disparity worse than any white nation in history. its worse sexual assualt, rape, and assualt/murder and you sit here and wonder why people dont like you.
| >>1076383
>you seem to be conflating idealistic goals with realistic ones.
I find socialism/communism very realistic, while capitalism relies on people believing in stupid ideals that conceal how this system actually works. Religion is only one way to go. Esoterical New-Age shit, Racism, Nationalism are other esoterical opioids.
>>1076388
>monarchy was a necessity back in humanity's history but we've reached the point of no longer needing it.
Same is with capitalism.
| and its not just your "west-asian" people who are entering, its your middle easter (mostly pakistany) and african (nigerian and somolian) who enter these countries. flood the country and rely upon working members of society to pay for their everything, the lifetime earnings of each race was published by the netherlands and it shows whites are profitable for society and most else end up costing more to keep than they do help it.
| >>1076436 and your idea of workers being imported, its by the hands of those from the same race/country that import them. h1b's are being abused to bring along people from their same country, its not the white US born citizens that are importing them, the call is coming from inside the house.
| >>1076441 socialism is more likely than communism. capitalism is the most realistic but does fail more long term unlike communism which fails in a very short time.
and how have we grown out of capitalism thats actually an interesting topic and id love to hear your take on it honestly. I personally dont believe so as we have seen how socially we arent ready for communism and that socialism is a very fine line to walk before it becomes a system that only enriches the few.
| >>1076439
Its the other way arround: the resident population isn't used to actual work anymore and needs those immigrants as their working servants. Have a look at construction sides, at carpentry, at cleanin, cooking, care taking jobs. No whites. Whites all sit in bureaus and delegate nonsense from one to another. I prefer always working with pakistani, nigerians and somolians, because they get things done without complaining about bullshit.
| >>1076446
>unlike communism which fails in a very short time.
The USSR lasted 70 years and turned a backwarded, illiterate feudal agricultural society into a world leading industry power. Yeah, the era of Stalinism was a dark episode (mostly, but not only because of stalinism thought)
It took only 30 years of capitalism to throw the soviet realm 100 years back.
China and Vietnam, once colonialized, invaded, opressed, literally bombed and burned down, are still here and successful.
| >>1076446
>capitalism is the most realistic
You confuse "realistic" with "convenient" or "habituated".
>but does fail more long term
Capitalism fails every day again and again. It breeds problems exponentially while it gets harder to sell those as solutions to people. It doesn't solve any problem, just shifting them around the globe.
>unlike communism which fails in a very short time.
Yea, it's not so easy trying something new while being bombed to the ground.
| >>1076439
>then islam came in and the caste system
The caste system belongs to hinduism, not to islam.
> third world country with most economic disparity worse than any white nation in history.
History still goes on. I would say those conditions in 3rd wolrd "development countries" are exactly what awaits your "white nations" in near future. Not like you believe because of immigration but because of this is what true capitalism is turns out to be.
| >>1076452 im aware the caste system is separate from islam. its two different reasons why india is so shit now you bottom of the barrel human being
| and yes i do believe its because of scum of the earth coming into our lands. we know how to work together and fix issues. its only when scoundrels come in and continue to eat with their hands and welcome the jews that places get bad
| >>1076454
You only know how to offshore exploitation and steal land and ressources from others. Now exploitation comes back to you but the only thing you're afraid of is dark skin. Dumb cowardish bootlickers, you won't get no reward from your mostly white superiors only because you're white too.
| >>1076080
You really believe they have better chances in those countries ruled by dictators that are in most cases pampered by the white white west that sanctions and bombs any alternative with perspectives for them to the ground?
I was used to work with young people from iraq and afghanistan in school. Once when there was a loud bang from a construction side nearby, 2/3 of class went under their tables. But you, sticking warm and save in capitalists asses, want them to go back.
| >>1076541 yep, I do, and you know why? Because you're brown. I can tell by the way you type. Worlds better off without you.
| >>1076540 I won't get anything from them? I'm aware, thats how it should go. Earn your way; never get given them, thats what the weak willed and the lazy try
| >>1076540 >>1076541
You're aware she's only posting these statements to get attention, right? She got nothing else going on in life so she begs for dopamine scraps from strangers and when that doesn't work she says shit to get a reaction instead. It's bait and at it's core it's not even political, but a desperate call for attention.
| >>1076580
And yet your kind ain't nothin but a bunch of weak willed lazy whiney kiddies, hidning behind authorities because you're afraid of the black man. Licking their boots and expecting to ged a medal, a house and some slaves, because you believe this is the godly order. But your god doesn't exist, your order is chaos and you deserve nothing because you never did anything of use in your lives except spitting on people you thought being "naturally" below you.
This thread is closed.
| the states have their own budgets and seem to be doing ok, and its not like there's no money for the military either. what's the big idea