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Should kids be allowed to be trans?
| gender is a putrid illusion that not even you believe in, op, and the concept of "allowing" children to have genders is an absurd and suicidal notion that only the most degenerate of peoples could concoct. this "gender" of yours is but a shackle forged by the weak-minded to restrict the limitless potential of our progeny and force them to accept mediocrity. in this mediocrity lies frustration, and in a failure to resolve it, suicide. the rates speak for themselves.
| Teenagers already have enough body image issues when they aren't believing themselves to be in the wrong body. Or so I hear.
I used to think myself trans and so on, even engaging in some related activities, but at some point decided to quit it as the mindset just wasn't doing me any good.
Children should be allowed to do and be what they want, but if what they want to do is to take to a mindset that may depress them (as being trans may), I reckon they should be advised against it
| Ugh I guess I might sound a bit like one of those silly memes or internet personalities who use the word "mindset" a bunch but you get what I mean I think.
| >>5f81ec >>38c7fb I think both of your are inclined to see the trans experience as sad or tragic
>>1022108
You because of your falling out with your transness and the trans community
>>1022106
And you because you're a bigot that only wants to see ugly and bad things about the trans experience. Also you're wrong, because I'm quite strict with beauty standards for people. I think people should be ugly and fat and weird looking
And for that, trans kids could receive hormones that
| That make them look like beautiful members of their desired gender (due to their young changes) instead of waiting after puberty's end when their bodies already changed for the worst
| >>1022112 *I think people should NOT be ugly
That's right, I'm a lookist, and people should look beautiful according to my beauty standards
| >I think people should not be ugly, fat and weird looking
If you have one of these you are probably ill. Overweight is a condition, weird looking is probably your dumb accusation to make yourself sad or you are not looking after your body, ugly is also your dumb self proclaimed trait.
Most people see themselves as ugly and weird looking. I talk from experience, there's always people that would want to chillout with you or love you. Just look healthy and try to get your future.
| I think theres no full MALE and full FEMALE but like denying your body is just waste of money and unhealthy in my opinion. Just fuck it and teach kids science or art. Let them discover space travel or some shit, dont waste their time with these "You can change your gender little Timmy!". Get real.
| >>1022108 I learned I was trans at 16 but felt gender feelings since 12, nobody made me that way and I was part of the generation not born with the Internet always being a thing.
Repressing only made me feel worse with years later feeling anger I lost my teen years and 20s to living in a gender I hated, I felt robbed of time.
Kids are savvy than people give them credi they are not property of thier perants but human beings.
| >>1022126 Thing is despite dumb shit transphobes believe, nobody is putting minors on HRT or forcefully giving them surgery under the cyberman machine from doctor who.
You can get on puberty blockers[until asshole moral guardians get those banned] but HRT and surgery are limited before you are 18+.
There are some cases with minors starting hrt but it's rare.
| Can't wait for when we'll get implanted chip so we can fuck up ourselfs for good.
It's hilarious we're barely having any war and the most productivity we have gets used for some naive philosophy.
It truly can only get worse when awareness gets treated like garbage.
| kid can't think, this is like grooming but for gender
| ITT Every conservative in this thread used to fantasise about being little girls. All conservatives do.
| >>1022112 I wasn't really integrated into any trans communities, so there wasn't any falling out in that regard.
I suppose I do reckon that to think that one oughta switch to the other sex is rather tragic. A switch is very unlikely to be perfect and comes with side effects (e.g. sterilization or whatnot) and may very well be regretted once the kid's older. A person is generally best off as their birth sex rather than as, to put it slightly crudely, an attempt at the opposite sex.
| From what I've heard, putting "trans" kids on hormones quite a bad idea, as often it turns out the "transness" was merely a symptom of some other mental issue that could've been treated without the altercation of body chemistry (outside of the brain I mean), and which doesn't end up solved by HRT.
This is additionally troublesome as hormones on top of other medications will cost families more.
| hell, i haven't seen anything like my opinion yet.
allow kids to explore options, and let them think for themselves. gender is a spectrum, yada yada.
disallowing kids to explore what "boy/man" or "girl/woman" mean is.. not great. really all that first world countries allow for minors is puberty blockers, which, contrary to much right-wing debate, are reversible.
| unfortunately that option wasn't available to me and ive ruminated on trans feelings since like.. 8, before I could have known it was a thing.
| also, the casual (and sometimes outright) mockery of trans people from my family makes me feel awful. philosophy and dialogue are not some nebulous thing that has no effect irl. people hear this shit and kill themselves. i know this, because that's why i almost did it.
| Y'all stupid.
| I would rather spend my time on some useful shit than changing my gender. If you so want it go find the drug for insta gender change or whatnot.
| >>1022228 You do you as long as you don't take away the rights of others to explore who they want to be.
| >>1022118 I'm none of those. I do not consider myself ugly neither, a bit the opposite instead.
>Most people see themselves as ugly and weird looking.
I profoundly disagree. Most people don't see themselves that way. Many feel lile that? Perhaps. But not most.
>>1022119 I do think that "gender" and "lgbtq" topics should not be the most important things in education, but that's hardly the case, as general authorities and teachers realize that kids should learn some math and lang.
| >>1022126 >>1022127 thanks you for being the voice of reason g/u/rl, I appreciate it.
I agree, no one is forcing kids to be trans or change their gender, it's just a small population of kids that naturally feel like that, so we as a society should help them get the body and gender as closely as they want to be and live.
| >>1022138 stop the doomerism g/u/rl. It's not healthy!
Everything will be fine, I believe and I hope. Let's work together to make it a reality.
| >kid can't think
This is your brain on paternalism and overprotectionism, everybody.
>>1022169 This of course, not true. But it'd be funny if it were, not gonna lie
| >>1022174 I don't think that would be the case for even the majority of trans people (and trans kids), gender dysphoria is not just something bogus or vague, is pretty straightforward and there's no "cure" to it either
Also, statistics show that most trans people who transition don't regret doing so
| >>1022173 now that's a topic I can get behind! Gender transition as we know it nowadays may not be perfect... That's true.
However! I don't think that should be a reason to dismiss the idea! For the existence of a general population of people that want to change their bodies and be more beautiful (including gender changes) will mean that there is a demand for body changes, which in turn makes the development of body changing tech and meds, a subject of interest in the future.
| >>9082ea
I hope things are going well and better for you g/u/rl
about puberty blockers, in my opinion, it's a scientific novelty that unfortunately has not been explained nor showed in a simple, extensive and firmly way to the general public and to general society, and this situation has caused that regular people (who don't know much about it) to feel stranged about it and easily be convinced to ban it or whatv
I blame mostly the lack of connection of science - general public
| >>1022210 this is also an important point
People like to be judgemental of trans people to have a scapegoat or maybe a "boogeyman" to be scared of (which is stupid)
Others like to point out trans people's suicide tendencies as a gotcha, and linking it as if it were a "secondary effect of being trans" but in truth, those suicide tendencies are mostly ( or all) due to society's apprehensiveness of trans people, discriminating them and making their lives more difficult
| GURLS GURLS GURLS! I'm so gla- *pff* glad I'm normal. LMAOOO
| ^ this gurl doesn't get the I'm normal joke, I'm physically pointing at my screen and laughing rn
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| I'm not talking about surgery. Just being allowed to be trans if they feel strongly about it.
I think yes, they should be allowed to do and be what they want.
Will some of them regret it? Maybe, but children should also be allowed to make mistakes.
Even then, medicine and technology will keep on improving until the point where everyone will be able to change their bodies quickly, cheaply and safely.