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Do you think it's a good thing if we have the tec to become immortal?
| Nahh.. I think this and the cloning stuff is best kept untouched.
Its most likely to bring more problems then to solve the ones we have ->overpopulation eg., i mean thats a problem already.
| Human consciousness digitisation, I think, is a really cool idea. Right now I'm grounded in the idea that our limited life span is the only thing that gives anything we do meaning. So immorality, even if it would only be digital, would (for me, at least) throw up a lot of moral/ethical/philosophical questions.
| Honestly, I'd love to go around just plugging some USB drive into some freaky machine to transfer my memories and consciousness into it and make even more copies to transfer them to a Lilim so I can live on as some cyberpunk robot copy of me troubled by their past which they can only remember in fractions due to data being lost through transfers with the USB drives all the while feeling amazing over how I've cheated death but still having my curiosity keep me down over my past.
| I would take the opportunity as long as I can die at any moment I choose or cease to exist.
| The fuck is wrong with you g/u/rls? I couldn't stand myself, lol. Imagine talking to you. My sarcasm mode would be exponentially amplified. xD That'd be terrible!
| >living forever
eventually you just have to get bored and want to die peacefully, OP.
| But what happens if you couldnt choose death and you had to live forever? hard to imagine that to be a possibility, but still
| It's a very, very bad thing. The only reason people want immortality is because they fear death. No good will come of select (wealthy) individuals living absurdly long lives.
| i could get behind immortality if it was something like vallhalla, where your body dies but your conscience is free to roam in cyberspace. physical immortality is a nope, though
| being alive forever means dealing with things for like, ever. seems like a lose lose.
| I don't know, I'd love to make a copy of my personality and upload it to a female Android to have as gf since regular human females are out of reach.
| This life is already too long, immortality would be a huge bummer.
| >>86194b that'd be pretty weird though, imagine dating someone with the exact same personality as you...
| Immortality would be awesome! Death doesn't give life meaning, it just takes it away. Overpopulation is not a problem in most areas on earth, and if great minds like Einstein, tesla, curie, hawking, etc. We're all immortal, then we could have colonised the galaxy by now!
| But we dont know the purpose of life, so what exactly would u do in that whole lifespan other than to.. i dont know, work or doing nothing.
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| >>260524 in my opinion, life has whatever meaning you want it to have. If your goal is to be kind, so that. If you want to be successful, so that. As long as it's not hurting anyone, it's a correct answer.
| >>260634
ye i can relate to it, but i dont think you can keep up with for example beeing kind to everyone for an eternity. it stops having some kind of meaning at a given point uknow
| Just think about how fucked up politica would be
| >>260851 alright, let me rephrase that: you can be or do anything you want, as long as it doesn't harm others (preferably yourself aswell, but it is your life). That's the meaning.
| It all depends on the cost of the tech. I would speculate it to be horrendously expensive, if you only think about the health and medical industry of today and what kind of money people pay in that direction, immortality will be a different level of the game entirely. So we would end up with only the richest assholes perpetuating forever...
So no. If such tech is ever invented, the inventors should destroy it immediatly and save humanity from a universe full of hurt.
| Affirmative, but we really ought to let Musk start colonizing Mars first.
| I think that at some point you don't gain anything with inmortality, i mean... if right now i am not doing anything with my life, imagine being inmortal.
I would be some kind of blob in the most comfy place that i could find.
| Mortality of human race is just a test of it's memory.
| Immortality would get boring after a while, wouldn't it?
| It's not. The only thing that defines us as a human and makes us live our lives is unevitable death. As soon as we overcome death, we overcome life as well. I do not know what will happen to us, but I am for 100% sure that we will not live anymore. My best guess is we will become living corpses lost in our imagination and dreams, too bored to do anything else.
| I wonder why everyone has this feeling that if you were inmortal you’ll eventually get tired of life. Is it like an instinct or something to just get tired of life at some point?
| >>262752 Most people these days are hard pressed to enjoy a finite span of life. It's a fault in their oulook & attitude imo.
| It is wrong to generalise all with the things like 'immortality gets boring after a while' or 'immortality is unwanted'. Those who think that way are wrong. If they cant find motivation and reasons and be inventive, there is a whole lot of others who can. Immortality is a dream humans have had since the dawn of culture, we see it in tales, songs, legends, folklore, etc.
| Life would not lose its meaning. It is only priorities that will be changed. A lot of things we value now would be worthless while many other things, now unthinkable or stupid sounding, would become the norm of pursuit.
| Why not find out. I'm going to live forever or I'm going to die trying.
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| Ok, here's what I think what phases you will go throught if you are immortal. 1. Omg i'm immortal this is so fucking great and everything. No longer will you have death anxiety, you will feel strange and released but mostly, you won't feel anything really different.
2. Your immortality is getting to you. You begin to understand what it mean. If it happens that you are a part of a few othrr immortal, too bad, you will be very depressed because you will see those that you loved die->
| I watched this movie once, about a man deciding to become an android, thus, immortal, however, he could not marry anyone, think about this, about going through as many boyfriends or boyfriends and outliving the fuck out of everyone you knew.
| >>263696 We all survived breaking up with our first gf/bf.
The same will be true in your hypothetical case as well.
We will radically change. We will 'grow up' so to speak. Just like what is truly important for a kid is not at all important for an adult - it could be funny even - so will a lot of things loose their importance once we're into immortality, they will be transformed into other new things.
Even love. It will be unrecognisably different from normal mortal love.
| >>263739 christ, imagine being one of the last people on earth to see the end of the world as you know it in a great big solar flare.
| >>263927 i was about to continue but had to go back working. Yeah you will outlive everyone you love if you are the only one. But no, it won't be a fucking breakup. It's everyone you love. You are a social animal. To see the people you were born with die one after the other is just simply horrible. And just like most thing horrible, you will live as if it was "normal". Kind of like the fear of death. But the only thing waiting for you is loneliness and maybe madness.
| >>264666
Anyway, second case scenario, most probably you aren't the only one immortal. It's better this way because you will have more psychological support, basically it will be as if nothing's changed, forever. Or more likely a long time. Because in the case of a bio-immortality (aka:cell-regen or other) your brain don't have the space to stock up the experiences of 200 years, good things about thz problem of getting bored, bad thing imo because you will, in the end,
| >>264667 completely loose your sense of self over time. Since you are eternal, you will go throught phases accumulated by your new experiences and between hundreds of years, you will be two radically different peoples, your moral compass will be completely broken because on some phases you'd done things you woudn't now therefore incapable to ensure you won't do them again. And without it you either go psychotic or just don't care about anything anymore.
| And what is the problem at all that? Why should I be afraid of change? Morals? What is that again? Are today's morals the same as 500 years ago? What about 1000? And then 2000?
The brain has a marvelous feature. It forgets. If it did not, already by the age of 20 it would not be able to store more information. But we all learn past that and have memories of past that. The more time goes by, the more it stores only the important info and lets go, forgets, the rest.
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| On the other hand, humans are the most adaptable and versatile animals in the world. While it hurts to lose people you love and value, the happiest persons of all are those who appreciate and develop new friendships and relations. With an eternity available to you, there is no skill you can not learn. Not a single one.
Most of what we value today, priorities of today, necessities of today, hurries of today, are all connected to our finite lives.
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| ... So yes, many things will loose their meanings, become not important. But other things will replace them, of a diferent scale, of a different plane of existence.
I somehow see all this very differently from how you do. If I were the only one immortal in the world, it'd be the best case scenario. With a few others, it would be all right. Everyone like that could be problematic because overpopulation is already a problem.
| First, no you wpn't be able to learn anything sadly, because you will forget what you've learned over time. Second, you say moral is not important because it changes, no, moral changes on a generation scale, it's really different on a single individual the more you change, the more your moral compass will be widening and the more things will feel insignificant because you will be faced with nihilism. Change is good. But too many change over time is bad, and if you are immortal
| You are bound to hit this limit one day. Third, to say the BEST ccmase scenario is you are the only one immortal is nonsense, first, immortality will come as a tech, so eveb if it's really pricy, it will be accessible to anyone. And if you where the only one, you will feel disjointed from the entire human race, and humans too will feel disconnected to you. Also, the Infinite Monkey Paradox, you are bound to have a breaking point and want to die at some point.
| >>257789
Overpopulation beeing a problem is just a myth made up by people that want to avoid or distract from debates over fairness and distribution.
| >>265951 So what? Since when morals of a personal nature became guidelines for the lives of others? What you wrote have little difference from the church of the previous millenium. So much for morals.
And yes. An immortal being can indeed learn every skill. Noone mentioned "at the same time" and I have no problem relearning something I have forgotten 500 or 1000 years ago.
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And I also would not be so sure to state that normal people would not want to be near someone immortal. That is a very bold and daring statement, not even an immortal could feel confident about.
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Population in 1900: about 1 billion
Population in 1960: about 3 billion
Population in 2012: confirmed 7 billion
Population in 2017: about 7.43 billion
You are not distracted yet, are you?
| I would upload my consciousness and kms
| Interesting topic, but the only thing I can say to that is this: Do you want humans to overpopulate more than we already are? 7 billion people is not a number to scoff at, and we are paying a dear price to even keep this up for the countrys that aren't put in essentially slavery. I'd rather have death than a life of cannibals, overstuffed homes and the rich watching people kill each other for more space and food.
| >>266410 I don't get what you are trying to say with the morals and guidelines, i'm talking about personal moral here of course. And the fact that it's really hard on the psychee for an individual to have his moral change to a certain point.
Anyway, we won't be litteraly immortal except maybe with the brainscan tech, but we certainly will be able to cure most illness and keep our bodies in shape, pushing our age to the very biological limit. Wich I think is nice.
| >>269260 I do not find it hard to change morals at all, really. Morals do not change overnight, if people are able to live in other countries different of where they were born, then evolving morals are a non issue.
>>269171 Indeed. As much as I consider immortality the ultimate dream, I am conscious that it would be the worst thing to happen. Because people are not ready for that at all.
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Extraordinary traits come with extraordinary changes.
Not having children would be a minimal basic no brainer behaviour. And also many other changes would be needed on many things: civic, personal, cultural, etc, etc.
I don't see people being nowhere near this kind of transcendence... So as it is, if immortality is discovered, it should be taken out and shot immediately.
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| 'been on the cgp grey channel lately, the guy' s reaally pushing his envelope about how it's cool to cheat death. And because it's kind of a cyb subject too, I wanted to know what you guys thought about it.
Of course the subjext is about, litteral immortality and slowing aging process.