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Is Vaporwave Cyberpunk
| Not really desu but it fits into the cyb lifestyle imo
| Vaporwave has Cyberpunk elements but Vaporwave is a mix of different things like internet, Japanese and 80's culture which Cyberpunk itself has, so Vaporwave can be Cyberpunk but it's not really "pure" Cyberpunk.
| vaporwave is the cyberpunk (not fully cyberpunk, only as cyberpunk as we are right now.. which is basically the start of cyberpunk), anti-capitalist, nostalgia music genre of our generation.
Also it's the first real international music genre which had its roots on the internet. In the sense of it wasnt made from local groups in a specific area but from individuals on the internet. It's humanity, our generation, getting connected and starting to express themselves in a wonderful way
| you guys are neat
| This should be asked in /mu/. Anyways, vaporwave is and isn't cyberpunk aesthetic. Cyberpunk music would consist of future pop and synthwave. Vaporwave would exist in a cyberpunk environment, but mostly either by wannabe hipsters or 40+ year olds longing for the old days.
| Oh ok, and sorry i got lil bit confused whether to put this in /cyb or /mu lol. Probably goin to be moved like other thread, maybe not..
| he's from the futurreeee, exterminate him
| No it isn't, even if you strap some ideology into it, cyberpunk is not music based subculture,so as I reckon any music that cypunx listen to is just music, not a statement. So I'm basically contradicting myself... If for you it is cyberpunk it is cyberpunk xoxo
| No it's a fad
| Cyberpunk a statement on society and a look on how a dystopian future would be like. Music would definitely play a part in such a thing.
| No, it's absolutely different things. Vaporwave style is retrospective of 80's with antique elements. It also demonstrates the utipian vision of the future by people from the past.
Cyberpunk is anti-utopian genre with much more advanced technologies showing the moral decay of the society of the future.
| >>2f80b1 genre as genre most important is that cypunk is subculture, very loosely described, lot's of different ideas and approaches, let's take the lesson's from others and don't close ourselves in straight definition, elitism caused death of many interesting subcultures, -goths for example.
| >>150155
>anti-capitalist
Do you just feel the need to inject your garbage ideology into everything?
| >>151821 when you don't recognize the parody/satire of consumerist culture you are just stupid my dude.
| >>152025
For starters, Consumerism and Capitalism are two distinct things.
Beyond that, "anti-capitalist" has certain innate implications, tovarish, which vaporwave certainly doesn't espouse, unless you think that North Korea's domestic juche software is really rad.
| I feel vaporwave is more anti-consumerist than anti-capitalist.
| >>152066 >>152074
Consumerism is just Capitalism in action.
I'm not saying that vaporwave is Communist, Socialist or even left wing. I'm saying that it is anti-capitalist.
| I don't see any anti-consumerist or anti-capitalist elements in vaporwave. It's just slow-downed remixes of music with 80's visual elements. What parody? What satire?
| >>152410
You might be able to get away with describing some cyberpunk as consumerist-dystopian, but even that's a stretch. Dystopian while capitalist/consumerist is the most I'd give it, since it's uncommon for said capital/consumerism to be the central cause of said dystopia. I really don't see any inherent anti-capitalism or anti-consumerism in it. Anti-technological excess and Retro-Techno-dystopian are more fitting.
Socialism/Capitalism are dystopian by default, in any case.
| Whoa this thread has become a discussion that i don't even understand....
| >>152522 Nah, It's a rule that as soon as someone says anticpatlist the reactionary go REEEEEEEEEE and start bashing communism lmao
| Capitalism brings globalism. Globalism brings consumerism. Consumerism brings corporatism.
Cyberpunk is a hypothetical depiction of a near-future dystopian corporatist society.
Vaporwave is a satirical representation of people who woe constantly about the bleak future and wish for the simpler past. The parody here is that the music is to evoke a sense of nostalgia while imagery shows iconic objects of the early internet era, such as Arizona pixel gifs, in a low quality filter.
| >>152538
>implying that communism isn't worthy of being bashed
Comrade, why don't you come and enjoy communist paradise in Venezuela? I'd offer for you to stay with mi familia, but they've all fled to Colombia. I wonder why.
| Holy shit, why don't we just answer the question instead of talking about communism and capitalism.
| >>153204
>having private ownership of the means of production
>being a communist, or just socialist country
pick one retard
| Vaporwave started in the early Internet erra and was used to add a nostolgic atmosphere to blogs and webspaces (think geocities). It got really terrible when it started to lean too heavily on the consumerism part. when people started making intentionally bad music mixed with brand imagery, it was declared dead, and many people dropped it. Those who couldn't give it up redefined the genre into something they actually liked, creating sub genres like mallsoft and futurefunk
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| >>153596 >>151421 >>151364 >>150205 >>150155
I agree with these fine folk.
Allthough vaporwave is not your typical picture of cyberpunk, its story is as cyberpunk as it gets.
Born on the Internet, dies quickly, ressurected by a few outliers who rebel against consumerism...
| Actually, synthwave is closer to cyberpunk than vaporwave, judging by atmosphere
| As enjoyable as vaporwave is, I wouldn't consider it cyberpunk. The focus of vaporwave has nothing to do with cyberpunk culture. Consider it the current dad for hipsters and scene kids/attention whores. It's relatively new in style, it grabs attention, and it uses the visual equivalent to buzzwords. You could make a vaporwave song that falls includes cyberpunk culture, but the genre itself as a whole is not cyberpunk. Consider a vaporwave remix of year zero by nine.
| >>157866
Cont.d
Nine Inch Nails. The focus of distaste with government, society, greed, world events such as war. Of perhaps a vaporwave song inspired by cyberpunk literature.
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| I'm new to this shit so i don't know much about it but i love both cyb and vprwv. So, simple question. Is vprwv cyb?