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Why is japan so full of pedo
| Age of consent is different in Asia.
| Because you are there, OP.
| heres some history for you:
Pubes used to be, and kind of still are, a huge taboo in Japan. This is why most JAV girls are hairy as hell: it makes them seem "modern" and "western". However, for the huge amount of erotic content that was still shy of that particular taboo, they needed to explain away the lack of pubic hair, and thus tended to focus on youthful girls. This lead to a general shift in erotic content focusing on girls we would consider "underage".
| little girls are super cute and pretty
| Touchy topic is touchy.
| i think theres the same percent of pedos as in other countries, but perhaps there is just less stigma for being pedo, and more willingness to pander to them.
if this is so, the next question might be, why is there less stigma for being pedo in Japan than in other countries?
| Burn all active pedophiles
But destigmatize those who want to get help and counseling to rid themselves of their unhealthy and unsage impulses
| >>424282
its not possible for a pedophile to stop being attracted to children, counseling or pills or invasive radical brain surgery.
| >>424090 hm, no, still not pedo...
>>424160 touché
>>424286 Ive heard that, but I doubt it's true. Bring some scientific proof of that statement.
>>423989 It's almost a philosophical question... what about Japanese culture creates this phenomenon? It should be noted, however, that the vast majority of Western porn features young stars, "barely legal", etc. The fantasy is the same, but of course the stars aren't underage.
| Interesting that we can say with certainty that the average man *can* find an underage girl attractive. It's not like if she is 17.9 years old, she is a child and therefore not sexually attractive, but the minute she turns 18 she becomes sexually viable. The rules are arbitrary, and, while designed with the "true" sexually violent pedo in mind, the arbitrary divide puts a lot of normal men in a position to feel guilty and internalize, in an unhealthy way, this normal attraction.
| Probably NSA man-in-the-middle... I think I can hear sirens already...
| >>424403
>scientific proof
look up James Cantor. he specializes in odd sexuality and the biggest figure where it comes to the research showing structural brain differences between pedophiles and the general public. one big theory that his findings are giving support for is that pedophiles are actually born the way they are, and that nothing can really be done about it.
im a dirty phone poster without links, but googling James Cantor should lead you to whata you are asking me for.
| >>424403
i should really be asking you for evidence of any treatment that is believed to make one not be attracted to children. i know some bogus ones exist where the patient later "relapses" (but they wont admit that on their website)
| I don't think Japan is an exception here. Pedophilia is a global phenomenon in any human society. Different cultures just deal different with it. E.g. in the modern western cultures shaved adult women as beauty ideal are an indicator for a common affinity to young girls by many males (luckily this trend is becoming more and more questioned). I also heard that the counter-concept of MILFs which values mature, adult and experienced women, already reached japan and also doujin.
| >>424418 I'm not saying one can or can't change, but think about it like this... the can't change team has one possibility... "can't change because impossible"... team change has "can change because ______"... limitless possibilities, combinations of treatments, medication, environment, etc. Even if it is "hardwired" in the brain, it's only a matter of time.
| >>424521
experts find the particular area of the brain thats hardwired basically becomes effectively immutable at a very early age. i think they said 3yo. after that you cant do much to it. technically speaking its possible to make small changes to the brain over long periods of time. but this is one big change that they dont consider to be feasible to attempt to change.
tl;dr its technically possible but not considered feasible at all and isnt the way to fix anything.
| >>424403 I'd just like to say that I feel the burden of proof is on the positive statement that it can be changed
| >>424575 nothing *right now*, but brain augmentation is not far away, or whatever technology, you know this. It's a matter of time like curing cancer or HIV...
>>424708 I understand what you're saying, and I didn't say there is proof it can, but the problem is, if that attitude is generally accepted, it becomes a way out. Can't change, why try, impossible, guess I'll just be a sex offender for life. Not a good way to think in general...
| >>424747
i think his and my point is: there seems to be assumptions being made that pedos can and must undergo treatments that remove their ability to find children attractive, yet there does not to be any indication that such treatments even exist.
some are asserting that pedos who wont go through this alleged procedure deserve to die. yet there does not exist any evidence that such treatments exist, thus dooming pedos to death. that seems very wrong to me.
| >>424747
if these treatments do exist, i would have many questions regarding the ethics of forcing a law abiding citizen to undergo the procedure, as well as questions regarding the side effects of such a dramatic brain restructure.
| >>424812 >>424813 again, I agree there may not be effective treatment *right now*, but that does not imply that it is impossible.
I am strictly referring to very severe cases involving sexual activity with children. Those are the ones whose brains are "hardwired", not some random weeb who likes loli. It is a gradient of severity like most things.
Treatment for someone who doesn't want it doesn't work. Like an alcoholic, you let it destroy your life until you want to change...
| >>424880 you had asked for proof that it can't change, but this is a negative statement and can't be proven as there's always something else to try, in an argument you would need to provide proof of your positive statement that it can change because you *can* prove that
I believe the chances of finding a treatment are about the same as a treatment for The Gay™️ personally
| >>424880
all pedos are hardwired whether they offend against children or not. you arent more pedo if you touch kids or something.
"someone who just likes loli" would not classify as a pedo imo. even if they started to find real kids attractive, thats just some conditioned or learned fetish, and they would not truly be pedophiles. thats 100% curable if they just scale back on looking at porn. although im not sure looking at loli can lead to this. i know it happens with cp though.
| >>424898 that's exactly my point... it's a negative statement with almost limitless possibility to be incorrect, so the default should be "it probably can", and saying "it can't" carries a much higher burden of proof. You need to prove that it is an impossibility, that saying "it can" is a logical fallacy. Clearly not the case. I'm not arguing that any specific treatment we know is effective. I think he's likely correct in saying there aren't any, but wrong in saying can't be any.
| >>424899 pedo who don't offend will be living a very lonely life. I think they would be interested in treatment to be attracted to same age(ish) people. Those that do might be even more inclined when faced with the social consequences of acting on their desire. It's not such a clear-cut divide between being pedo or not. There may be differences in the brain, but how severe those changes are, and how other factors influence their ability to control means more or less pedo.
| Thank god I moved from lolicon to milfs two years ago, don't wanna go to jail yet
| >>425045 I see your stance more clearly now however you still can't prove the negative as someone can always try something else, "have you tried rubbing pickles on them?" "What about pickles and mustard?" Add something to this list ad infinitum
The default should be it "may be possible" or "we don't know" rather than "it probably can" until you have some evidence that it may be possible the burden is much lower than fact but still not none
| >>425086 last half of this is my opinion as "probably can" seems likely to be misunderstood as we have something promising, showing signs of working, or that we believe points us in the right direction for further research
| >>425052
you are saying that it causes a pedo to find adults attractive. but doesnt it just removes his attraction? this procedure doesnt exist so its hard to keep up on what it hypothetically does.
i would not be willing to have any procedure done that radically modifies who or what i am no matter how lonely i am. i would be willing to add attraction to adults but not to take away attraction to kids.
im an alien in society but i dont need to be an alien in my own skull too.
| >>425052
forcing this procedure on everyone whether theyve wronged or not is absolutely horrible.
youre right, most pedos are lonely. most of them need folks to talk to. the stigma prevents them from being able to ask their friends or family or psychologist for help. they feel alone with no support in life.
maybe this contributes to some of them doing bad things...
maybe fixing THAT will have just as good of an impact of reducing sexual abuse...
| >>425088 (same poster, different jiggit) I agree, saying "there must be a way" is basically the same as "there is no way". My goal is to say that we shouldn't accept "there is no way" as an excuse for not finding one.
>>425125 I'm not saying to force it on anyone... that would never work because it requires the person to want to change (as you've said). I'm not even proposing how the treatment would work, or what it would change, only that it is a very serious disability that...
| >>425324
the subject was originally brought up in this thread under the context that pedos must get treatment, or else must burn.
with this ultimatum in mind, it is absolutely necessary for the claimant to produce evidence of such a treatment existing.
please understand it is frustrating to be told i have to die, i have to go through nonexistent treatment, or i have to somehow disprove that such a treatment exists.
2 of 3 are impossible to do so i am being told to just die.
| ... (forgot to finish) >>425324 ...would warrant serious treatment. Stigma is a big part of it for sure, and the best way to deal with stigma is to get a better understanding.
>>425355 yes, I agree that the opinion about burning is outrageous. Clearly. I am not asking you to prove that treatment doesn't exist, I'm asking you to accept that it is possible that a reasonable treatment could be developed to help you integrate in society as a functional adult. That is all.
| >>425380
i think the best treatment would be an empathetic and nonjudgemental ear and a less hostile social attitude. i dont find rooting around in my brain reasonable tbh...
i felt like my right to exist was under attack when your points about treatment came right after that other anons ultimatum. im glad you think what he said is outrageous. the problem is most people dont seem to think that. i am used to having to argue that i have a right to live and its fucking shit...
| >>425397 well this is danger/u/ after all, the only people that get run out of here are incels, Russian CPers and apparently TERFs.
About pedo treatment, MDMA or LSD would be interesting, anything that would promote brain plasticity, but even if it's something like brain augmentation, these things won't work if you don't want them to. It takes work to change, so no worries that it would be forced on you, quite the opposite actually.
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| 99% of doujins feature minors. Even the non-loli ones