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Hold up, is lolicon illegal?
| So the question becomes: Where is it legal?
| it's freedom of speech bruuhhh
it's only illegal if you make it super photorealistic
| "that it's virtually undistinguishable from a real person of the minority"
yeah i just made that up to sound legit
| Depends on the state in the U.S. Most are ok but for some it's a big no no
| Iunno about the US, but it might be a grey zone here in Switzerland. You guys know Shadman? Yeah he got kicked out of Uni and had trouble with the police for drawing "fucked up stuff".
| Equally grey in US, or rather it's illegal but not really enforced - sometimes used as a start to get a warrant searching for "real" child porn but in every case I've seen it hasn't been prosuctuted beyond that.
Well how well it would stand up in court is unknown so I doubt most prosucutors want to take that risk as the laws wording has a little room for ambiguity.
| >>236668
My state, Minnesota bans it. They word-for-word say pornographic work includes "...Computer generated image or picture."
| >>237064
That'a there too, it even says "Or other means..." after a big list.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=617.246
| Bestiality is legal in Ohio
| It's not, every time someone brings up a case the guy got busted for the real stuff first. I mean, wouldn't Pixiv be taken off the play store if it was illegal here? So much Loli there
| Dunno how much Wikipedia can actually help you but here. It maybe a fun read?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography
| To quote the United States bit (as everyone here is American)
"The PROTECT Act of 2003 codifies much of the U.S. child pornography laws, including simulated child pornography, such as cartoons, and has been used to successfully prosecute individuals for possession of cartoon child pornography."
Your not safe.
| You're*
Fucking ruined my omenous quote!
| Damn, government sucks.
Why the hell would they bad lolicon?
Artists should restart the guro movement or something.
| Just write "this person is 18" on their forehead. For fucks sake they aren't real, they could be robots or mind-time-travelers for all anyone knows.
| >>238635 so by this logic, a hyper photorealistic 3D render of a naked child being fucked isn't child pornography? Even though nobody could distinguish it from a photograph of real CP? Seemslegit.jpg
| >>238683 Holy hell did you escalate that fast. I was talking about regular ol' hentai. Where the hell did that come from?
| >>238683 who are you even talking to? Did anyone say anything about perfect-photorealistic-indestinguishable-from-real pictures?
I mean, if it was indistinguishable from real I think they'd be arrested anyway because of what the word indistinguishable means
| >>238696 you implied that as long as they aren't real, it doesn't matter what the visual content represents.
>>238721 Loli is hot. But this is a shitty argument for why it shouldn't be illegal, and a shitty way to determine what's okay or not. Precisely because of what I described.
>>238743 You could easily prove it was a render by showing the mesh, texturing, scene from different or impossible angles, animating a short video with the characters frozen in place.
| >>238743 I realize nobody talked about photorealistic renders. But my point was that the argument "if it isn't real, then it could be an adult for all we know" necessarily means that we could never consider computer generated content cp. So I gave an example where we obviously would consider cg content as cp to illustrate why this line of reasoning is faulty. No need to be so mad, friend. Loli is fine by me. Let's just make sure we aren't using bad reasoning to back it up.
| Ah, well then yeah I guess. If a story involves a robot that looks underage, it could be 18, there could be a whole story about it, living out it's 18 years. What I was meaning was that none of it is real so you can have situations that are completely separate from non-fiction.
I mean, there are actual pornstars that very much look (to me at least) uncomfortably young, like 14 or something, but they are actually in their 20s. You couldn't arrest someone for having that porn.
| So likewise with hentai, you can have characters who look really young but actually aren't. And since the actual ages are decided by whoever is making it, you could literally write this person is 18 on their forhead and it would be true, because they are ficticious.
| The whole thing is just silly. Imagine a judge asking if this drawing is underage.
"No sir, she's an alien-time-traveler robot who just looks that way, although she's been in our time for 17 years she's lived in the future for 30 before coming to our time, and as a robot she was already implanted with the memories of an adult before that"
It's just something that drives me nuts.
I'm not talking about the law though, just the stupidity of an underage law about fictional characters
| >>238789 Yeah, good point about the pornstars, that's definitely a thing. So even if something appears to depict a minor, if they factually aren't, it must be okay - cos we allow real life porn of young looking adults... That's confusing because we both have the sense that the photorealistic render shouldn't be allowed, but I can't think of any logically consistent reason for it other than that's just where I personally draw the line. So maybe it should be allowed after all...fuck
| >>238800 anyway I see what you meant now, sorry for coming off all aggressive. I guess at the end of the day as long as nobody was harmed to make the fap material then it's probably not too big a deal. *Shrug* I ended up more confused after than before lol
| It's fine as long as you're not male
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| No.
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| At least in the U.S., it is difficult to find a definitive answer. If this were the situation: I was an artist and made virtual art sexually depicting a character under 18, would I be arrested? All I've found are cases of possession, not creation.
The second thing, this is in the U.S.. I think it's different in other countries, but Canada and Brazil, two of the three I researched, seem way more strict. Russia, on the other hand, pretty much doesn't care.