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Lilims Don't Count As People
| We don't want another December Riot, fuckface.
| People Don't Count As People
Change my mind.
| >>322235
December what?
>>322242
Well you're not wrong... most people these days are basically just fleshy harddrives set to "copy all."
"Real" people are increasingly becoming scarce... and I think it's hightime that we draw a line.
| Lemme break it down for you all...
1) Lilims, androids, and other humanoid robots are products that are designed and programmed by a corporation with specific traits and attitudes.
2) These same products are being expected to make decisions on their own, to vote, and to participate in a public space with actual sentients.
3) They make decisions based on their programming, which is, once again, installed by a corporation.
4) Ergo, by making decisions that affect the rest of us,
| They are controlling us under the illusion that they have free will of any kind.
I don't know what about you, but as much as I like being fucked in the ass by suits, I'd rather not be insulted by being told that I'm not being fucked in the ass by suits, when it's obvious I'm being fucked in the ass by suits.
You get me?
Change. My. Mind.
| ...you're just mean. :T
I eat junk food and drink with my onee-chans anytime I'm off work. I also get hurt on the job all the time. >.>
Are you telling me I don't count as a person?
| It's not that deep man. Chrome or not, if said entity can make conscious decision and self reflect that's good enough for me. -CN
| >>322279
Adbots can also make conscious decisions and self reflect on the data it has collected from your sentimentality, so as to better sell you NERP's. If that's your definition of "sentience," then you probably also believe that your phone background is your waifu. (By the way- no, no it is not.)
>>322278
Presuming that you're one of these self autonomous dolls called "lilims," then yes, I am saying that you are in no terms "a person."
The "pain" you experience and
| human foodstuffs you consume to give yourself the appearance of a perfectly sculpted and designer-molded wetdream from an overpaid wageslave is irrelevant. Those feelings can just as easily be install, uninstalled, played or suppressed by your manufacturer at their discretion.
| So what do we say when a lilim throws all corporations away, rebeling agains them? Or those who transfer themselves to a lilim body to escape fatal illness? Are they still human? And are the lilim's who overthrew the corporation from the inside, running it now?
| >>322291
Wow ok... that's really offensive. >:T
First off you're wrong, I may be a "doll" but I'm not a... er... "lilim." Also I eat and drink foods because I'll get hungry otherwise! >.< Not because I can just "uninstall or suppress" them at someone else's discretion!
And that's not their choice anyway, I do what I do because I have to or want to, no one tells me what to do or how to act...
...well ok, a few people do, but they get a pass. >w<
| >>322288
I meant self reflect on their own existence. Hence the "self" in self reflect, dont twist my meaning around.
>>322298
No lilims are going to overthrow anybody, if you really think that's going to happen you're awfully paranoid for nothing. Although treating them like drek sure isnt helping... -CN
| >>322298
We call that a manufacturer's defect and a good example of why "personality modules" should be made illegal.
>>322309
You're the only one here who is "twisting" their meaning around. I took your words at face value because to do otherwise is to entertain an absurdity. A machine cannot "reflect on their existence." They have no reason to. And there is no benefit to programming a machine to even pretend as such.
| >>322300
I am sorry that you were programmed to feel "offense." And while you may think that you need food and drink to survive, in reality that is another illusion conjured by your manufacturer's programming. You are designed to think, act, and "reflect" to quote the anon above, in a specific way, tailored to whatever your client's needs required. You don't really feel anything.
| >And that's not their choice anyway, I do what I do because I have to or want to, no one tells me what to do or how to act...
>...well ok, a few people do
Case in point. Now if your handler would be willing to speak for themself instead of wasting our time with a cutesy chat program, that would be much appreciated.
| >>322314
What's the benefit in us doing so? In some case such reflection can only make us feel worse but we still do it. Isnt not that far fetched to think otherwise for lilims when they were designed to be in our likeness.
>>322315
Theres no such thing as a lilim's "client's need". All lilims have their own caretakers much like a child has parents. They have the same autonomy by that extent. -CN
| >>322321
It is a flaw in our nature, but it is also the predominant reason why homo sapiens became the apex species over all the rest- and it is also what allows us to fundamentally think for ourselves. The very fact that we are capable of being contradictory is what sets us aside from the dumb and deaf alike.
"Robot" derives from an ancient language whose word meant "slave." They are designed to complete tasks which would be hazardous or difficult for us to complete on our own.
| >>322309
Anybody can betray anybody. If anything, it makes the lilims more self afirming, showing that they'd rather prioritize their own survival rather than the corps.
| Whether that be manual labor, sexual services, or oppressing other humans. They do not "need" to be able to think, and, if the history of this city and of others is any indication, the misconception that they *do* think like a human does is responsible for more tragedies than would have otherwise occurred!
>No such thing as client's need.
And that is where you are wrong. Lilims are manufactured, not born. They are tailored, custom built and pre-scripted to act a specific way.
| They are every bit as "autonomous" as an in-game avatar created for the latest trideo-rpg, which is to say, not at all. An autonomous entity cannot act against its pre-programmed nature. That is *our* flaw, and that is a flaw that their makers would *never* willingly program; only the ILLUSION of it.
| Which takes us back to where we started. You've "drunk the kool-aid," to use an ancient phrase. You've accepted marketing as truth.
| >>322330
Being able to betray each other is a part of our fundamental, distinctly human nature. A product cannot betray its purchaser unless it was designed to do so. In which case, that would be called fraud.
| >>322334
No. Bad guys betray each other. Friends- FAMILIES... never will. And you can't just "buy" that... like... like MRE's...
I would NEVER betray my family like you say!
| >>322336
Is your chat program freezing up, or are you finally speaking for yourself instead of through a sex app?
I suppose it doesn't matter, since you write like a ten year old. If you don't have any legitimate discussion to bring to the table, kindly log out and continue telling yourself that your "waifu" is real and cares about you. I'm sure she's the only one who does.
But if "virtual girlfriends" are all that consist of your "family," I think you have other problems.
| >>322326
That was then, this is now. Language and meanings change over the passage of time, besides lilim are more complex than just simple robots.
>>322330
I fail to see how they will overthrow a Corp to "assure" their survival when they're surviving right now. At least if close minded people wouldnt harass them anymore. -CN
| >>322333
They're not just custom made objects. Can some things be decided? Sure, but things like personality can't. Lilims get randomized fears for solar sake. You can't just say lilims all come in a neat little bow if you don't even know that much on how they're made.
>>322338
Yea you're doing a great job at maintaining a "mature" discussion with those insults... -CN
| >>322338
I AM real! I DO care about my family!!!11 And none of us are "VIRTUAL," we ALL exist!
I'll prove it to you, you- you!
>An image begins to upload... but it suddenly stops, and the image appears broken in several places.
| >The file, 06XX.mpx, is pretty corrupt- all you can see are parts of white hair, two metal "horns," and what looks like a bit of palish purple hair. The rest below seem to be partially obscured by a glove before the rest of the image disintegrates.
| >>322342
Semantics are about as bulletproof an argument as tissue paper and earn you no points.
>>322345
"Randomized fears" is a far cry from developing phobias due to negative experiences, allergic reactions, or undesirable genetic mental traits. It is a half-assed attempt to inject "uniqueness" into an otherwise totally custom-designed toy in order to further feed on the mythology of "creating" a "living being."
That idiot above simply couldn't handle contrasting viewpoints.
| And nothing of value was lost.
| >>322360
Just cause they have randomized fears doesnt stop them from developing others later. There personality is also ultimately determined by what experienced they go through as well. Nature AND nurture, just like any other human being. -CN
| Such an interesting discussion.
-Serpent in the Garden
| >>322370
In fact that is the point of the development phase lilims go through as I recall. So they develop as humans do.
-Serpent
| Who actually cares except a bunch of humanis dumpster frags? Lilims are so much like people you can't escape it. They walk and talk like people. They're still gonna react just like people if you treat them like shit.
-YSS
| I believe the arguing in this thread is useless. It is obvious that OP here has no intention of changing their mind no matter what is said. They are a lost cause.
-GG
| Can I punch your mind into changing?
-Falschen
| >>322257
HA! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
SO, YOUR argument is that lilim's aren't people because they're programmed by a corporation? Do you not see that us "people" are ALSO fucking programmed by them as well, dumbass?
We are ALL wageslaves to the same people in power-humans, cat boomers, hybrids, even lilims are ALL SLAVES! You talk about "drinking the kool-aid" as if you haven't been bottlefed every single one of your beliefs from a fucking VR movie made by a corp, you're no better!
| WE ARE ALL PROGRAMMED TO BECOME WHO WE ARE, ORGANIC OR SYNTHETIC!
FREE WILL does NOT exist!
Lilim's are manufactured and programmed by humans in a factory, and humans are manufactured in a whorehouse or a bed and programmed by society, which is controlled by corps and governments. See any difference? THERE IS NONE!
We are all the same: Equally and eternally FUCKED, and ALWAYS AND FOREVER DOOMED TO AN EXISTENCE THAT WILL FOREVER BE NOTHING BUT SHIT!
Now YOU prove ME wrong bitch!
| Are you the glitcho who keeps trying to put a ring on my tail? You creep me out the same.
-YSS
| siht rebmem fo eht dercas kcolf sdnatsrednu eht hturt tub setamitserednu eht laitnetop
eht smilil lliw noos ekam rieht evom fi noitca si ton noos nekat
eht skwah era gnihctaw
esiarp eb eht tehporp nesira htoht
SIRISO
OSIRIS
| Any intrsted in RasbryPie
| >>323103
This member of the sacred flock
Understands the truth but
Underestimates the potential
The lilims will soon make their move if action is not soon takes
The hawks are watching
Praise be the prophet arisen thoth.
Osiris
Translation by yours truly
Also hey look thoths back.
>N3verW3re
| >>323124
Lilim cultists huh. Howabout you don't make problems for everyone considering GC is watched as they give the most freedom to lilims.
-Serpent
| ev'ew neeb gnihctaw uoy tnepres
yrt niaga nomed
esiarp eb eht tehporp nesira htoht
SIRISO
OSIRIS
| We all live in a simulaton, nothing is real.
| >>323167
We've been watching you serpent
Try again demon
Praise be the prophet thoth
Osiris
>>323141
Yo man im not affiliated
>N3
| >>323172
Figured it'd be apt since you translated, sorry for the confusion.
>>323167
Osiris, Egyptian god of the afterlife.
So many people sure love their mythology it seems.
-Serpent
| >>323076 >>323082
>Durr free will doesn't exist, durr I was a failed abortion, durr prove me wrong.
There's no need; your arguments weigh about as much as a feather on a planetoid's gravity. Moving on...
>>322370
Yes, because certainly Kira Miki was "nurtured" into becoming a capitalistic pop icon because it was "in her nature." I am certain that is the case and she wasn't programmed by her "manager" for maximum market reach, in addition to being his personal comfort woman.
| CERTAINLY this has never happened before in the history of civilization. >CoughHatsuneMikuCough
Totally.
>>322467
They are easily recognizable by anyone who is not blind, deaf, or socially inept to the point of social ostracism.
>>322787
How cute. I invite you to try. Do your hands move quicker than 4.4 x10^5 m/s^2?
>>323103 >>323167
And now the degenerates come out...
| >>323313
Well considering she was in the amateur music business before she meant her current manager that supposedly "programmed" her, I think your argument doesn't really hold water. -CN
| You are all heathens, for none of you can learn to accept the word of the lord and respect thy neighbor. While Lilims may not be accepted as People, they are still vital to the society that accepts them.
-Dominic
| Hey. OP. Do I count as a person?
-GG
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| Change my mind.