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Bill introduced to deport refugees from Glitch City
| I guess the next step is whether or not any differential treatment will come to those actually functioning as productive members of society. Though if you ask me QUINCY is pretty slow on the draw. As usual.
| I still doesn't solve the problem though... while the refugees were part of the Neko Park incident, the city wide riots started by actual GC citizens. -CB
| (CN*)
| >>125008
>Actual GC citizens.
>Not illegal immigrants that weren't satisfied with having a place to live.
Nice meme, CN, but *actual* citizens aren't afraid to get modded for a job. Having a datajack's kind of a requirement if you want to get anywhere in this town. Otherwise, you're just a useless hunk of meat.
>>125001
If they were actually functional members of society, they wouldn't be hiding from technological boogiemen like they do. Have you seen some of this shit?
| They, like, are *actually* afraid of getting augmented. Cyberized I can understand, but not wanting to get augged is like choosing not to wear glasses if you're blind, and trying to drive. For one, you won't be able to drive and you'll end up crashing somewhere, and for two, you're endangering other people in the process. Your rights end where others begin; if you don't want to get augged to get employed, you're basically saying that you intentionally want to be useless.
| Which is fine, don't get me wrong... just not on my taxes, yeah?
| >>125055
... who gives a shit if they don't want to get augged? You make it seem like they can't work a cash register or flip /burg/s if they don't get a simsense chip installed or something.
| >>125057
Ugh, misrepresenting much?
I'm SAYING that their stupid religion is keeping them from being as effective as the rest of us! Look, most people in this town are augged for a reason- you need to be if you want to keep up with your job, to access the Matrix, to stay awake through 80 hour work weeks...
| >>125059
You don't NEED augments to do any of those things, much less access the Matrix. All you need is a computer for that, and 80 work weeks are rare unless you work in a factory... which, by the way, is already automated by lilims, so that's an entirely moot point—
| >>125060
Yeah yeah that's nice, but they can't do any of those things *as well* as anyone else, can they?
And also, how are they supposed to be functioning members of society without a SIN, eh? Betcha they're not even paid with certified credsticks. Maybe they eat each other, or bio waste from VeriaTech! XD
| >>125064
Insulting how? Am I wrong?
Or are you just offended over something that doesn't affect you? I bet you're augged too! Like you *should* be.
| >>125068
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Thought so.
Anyway, anyone looked into their religion? Some freaky shit, but I can't figure out why they hate lilims and augmented folks so much, much less catboomers and mutants.
Well, ok, the mutants and catboomers I can understand... but why auggies and lilims?
| >>125053
Uh... debates aside I'm not kidding. I mean just think about it of the amount of refugees compared to the size of the city. Could they really cause *all* of that damage in that amount of time. -CN
| One park in one thing, a city is something else. And even in the case of the park, the mob that stupid band started also consisted of citizens as well. -CN
| For one, blind people can't see with glasses on, so that's a stupid argument. Two, you are clearly just a blatant racist. Not everyone thinks the same, and that fucking religion you keep bringing up, is not something everyone believes in.
If I were to use the same arguments against you, it would be as easy as just saying that a lilim killed someone once, so that means all of them are murderers. We really shouldn't start a holocaust just because some people are scared of technology.
| >>125302
If a lilim killed anyone, it was probably justified- after all, they all re-upload to the same Collective Source, sharing the same experiences and consciousness... or do you mean to tell me that all Lilims are in fact murderers? Nice logic there, illegal alien apologist.
Also, blind people can, in fact, "see" when they put on glasses- that is the entire point of why glasses were invented to begin with, to allow people to "see." Figures that your only argument would be
| That I'm some kind of "racist."
And you know what? If trying to get a bunch of backward cavemen from podunk failed colony who continue to squat in their little shanty towns, destroying property, attacking lilims and auggies, and spreading their laughable religion kicked off of our world makes me a "racist," so be it. You can leave with them.
| Honestly anyone who doesn't agree that we need to get these meatlovers out of Glitch City is a traitor to Glitch City. The GCPD should arrest the whole lot of them.
| First we have all these people building shanty towns, and now we got these idiots who crashed into what's left of the airport claiming that they just need supplies to get out. Can anybody say "hand outs?"
| >>125319
Of course they wouldn't be murderers- but they would definitely be defective. You can't really blame non-sapient life for commiting "crimes" unless their designers programmed them to do that in the first place.
| Ok. Again, the word blind, means that you can't see. Your eyes are ruined. They don't work. Glasses are to help people who have bad eyesight, but can still see, see better.
And when you say I can leave with them, well, I am infact one of them. And I never wanted to be here in the first place. I'm trying to get my crew out of here, back to our mother ship, but for the time being, we don't have a choice, and btw, I do have augmentations, so you can fuck off.
| >>125333
What, what?
You're both using Lilims committing murder as an argument. I'm pointing out that Lilims aren't really alive, so that argument doesn't make sense. They aren't capable of acting in any way outside their programming, and when they do, its due to a defect.
| So to argue that all Lilims are responsible or not for the actions of a few is an invalid argument altogether. Lilims aren't life, and artificial intelligence as we think of it doesn't actually exist. It's just a convenient phrase we like to use for what is essentially mimicry. Like having life sized puppets.
| >>125336 Again, that was my point, and I don't know if you know this, but some lilim are in fact sentient. Of course not all of them, but most have constantly developing artificial intelligence and are programmed beforehand to think and feel, at least mostly, like humans.
| *Sigh* Well I personally think that you don't need augmentations to excel at a job, hell I'm anecdotal evidence of It, and that Lilims are in fact sentient with their AI. -CN
| >>125343
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...you are incredibly fucking disgusting. Fuck off.
>>125335
Then you better hurry the hell up. This city isn't big enough to house even more of you outsiders. Get back to fighting over scraps of asteroids or whatever the hell it is you spacers do up there.
| >>125345 >>125349
I too can create anecdotal scenarios from enjoyable times I've had with my service droids, but ultimately I know that what appears as "intelligence" is merely decades of programming knowledge and many thousands of lines of code. It isn't "sentience" anymore than a dog is "sentient" beyond its based needs, and frankly, treating lilims and other instruments with that sort of misplaced empathy is responsible for a large number of our society's ills.
| >>125350 See that's the fucking problem. You are too ignorant to even know a fuck about us, and you're probably just going to say back that you don't care, and I know that you don't care, which is why I will stop arguing with you, because it's pointless, because you are too dumb and ignorant to even listen to what I'm saying.
| >>125351
I'm not saying I'm always right but I figure being more open goes a long way. Despite all the shitty debates online, no one bothers to consider the other groups point of view. -CN
| Have either of you even *spoken* to one of the refugees? -CN
| Including, but not limited to, that anti-technological religion many of the refugees seem to have. They think that some kind of "devil," probably in the form of an AI, was responsible for all their woes- when in actuality it probably stems from some kind of previous, traumatic experience, probably at the hands of a technologically advanced enemy.
| But BECAUSE they have allowed themselves to believe that their tools could be... "sentient," they've allowed this frankly primitive, and destructive, religious belief to flourish and to, presumably, control their rate of expansion and growth as a culture.
| >>125353 So you are saying that the reason for us being sentient, because we don't just fulfill our needs like animals? I don't know if you have ever seen people before, but everything we do is selfish, and to fulfill our needs. Saving someone's life for example, is only something you do because it makes you feel good about it.
So technically, according to you, no one is sentient.
| Perhaps if they had simply treated technology just as it is... a means to an end... they wouldn't be in the sad spot that they are. And there's no reason why Glitch City, the technological mecca of this society, should fall the same path.
| >>125362
Can a non sentient consider its own non sentience? Or can it only do what it is programmed to do without hesitation?
Animals and instinct, lilims, AI and their programming... they don't "think." They only "do." That's why they're the perfect slaves, and why the root of the word "robot" is some ancient language's word for "slave" also.
| >>125363 Again, not all of us think like that. I'm a refugee, and use technology. But when it comes to the people who don't like technology, what's wrong with that? They shouldn't be killed just because they think differently from you.
| ... Y'all thinking waaaaay too deeply into this.
| This whole argument started on OP wanting the refugees kicked out of Glitch City. I admit I don't like them either... but them not wanting to get augged has nothing to do with it.
| >>125365 The think is that they can think about their own existence. I have met lilims with severe depression, and if that's not a sentient thing to have, I don't know.
| >>125368
Don't waste your breathe man. This has clearly turned into an A and B argument by now. They're ignored most of my posts so far. -CN
| >>125365
Tell that to Kira Miki. I highly doubt someone programmed the best idol in the galaxy to give a shit about her fans and people- she does that because she wants to. If she was programmed by a megacorp with only money on the line, they would have never installed that particular feature.
| >>125368 Too deeply? You want to kick me the fuck out of here! Me and my men currently have to place to go, after our ship got destroyed, which to clarify, is not the same ship from the airport, and you won't let us live here, even for a little while, while we figure out how to get away from here.
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| Well, honestly, either they stop being refugees and start getting some work done just like everyone else, or they get out. It's not like it's a disservice to get them out of this shithole anyway...
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| Yeah to be honest I still question why the hell I'm still here. Oh...Right. -R8D
| Awww shit. I posted in a thoth thread...Great. -R8D
| Ah, so QUINCY wants to speed up the mass emmegration. I guess maybe it will help with the constant food shortages. I've had nothing but damn nutrient paste for a week.
| >>125379 Don't know if you're still here, but I can tell you later. Somewhere else. You can find me going by GG. Don't want to tell it in this thread full of racists and shit.
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| Anyone hear about this? It's been in the works since the riots, but it only just now got introduced to Quincy's desk.
Not sure if it'll do much because I heard that the refugees are making "great workers," if you get my meaning, but at least it's a start in the right direction. Then maybe we can focus on our own problems instead of having to deal with all the problems brought on by these backward spacers.